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      02-13-2013, 03:25 PM   #1
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LAPD WTF




They seem to be proving his point.

Cliff notes: It would appear that the LAPD set fire to the structure, judge jury and executioner (don't get me wrong, I am sure he was guilty and glad that we don't have to pay for him on one hand), after shooting at innocent people in the name of their man hunt.
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      02-13-2013, 04:36 PM   #2
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This was revenge- not police work. Throughout this manhunt, civilians were in much greater danger from the police than they were from Dorner, validating Dorner's point.

The homeowner should definitely charge them with arson, and the civilians who were shot at should charge the cops with attempted murder.
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This was revenge- not police work. Throughout this manhunt, civilians were in much greater danger from the police than they were from Dorner, validating Dorner's point.

The homeowner should definitely charge them with arson, and the civilians who were shot at should charge the cops with attempted murder.
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This was revenge- not police work. Throughout this manhunt, civilians were in much greater danger from the police than they were from Dorner, validating Dorner's point.

The homeowner should definitely charge them with arson, and the civilians who were shot at should charge the cops with attempted murder.
Thank you!!!

I also want to add (before this thread gets deleted like the last one) how do you explain the cops finding Dorner's ID 4 days ago in San Diego, but then claim you found his ID AND wallet yesterday in Big Bear? How did an ID and wallet survive next to a charred body?

Then, how could you not find him when he was right across from the command post? You searched a 100 mile radius, but he was supposedly right across the street?

Finally, it has yet to be confirmed that they actually have Dorner until (if) the dental records can be confirmed.

Nope, one more. For those that say that nobody's safe and he's killing innocent people, he had plenty of time to kill the two hostages he took in, but let them go without a scratch. Just food for thought.

now I'm done.
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This was revenge- not police work. Throughout this manhunt, civilians were in much greater danger from the police than they were from Dorner, validating Dorner's point.

The homeowner should definitely charge them with arson, and the civilians who were shot at should charge the cops with attempted murder.
I had the same exact feeling.
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Fwdftl covered everything I was going to mention lol...just want to add that there hasn't been evidence showing that Dorner was the killer in any of the events that took place. I.E. cop car dash cam that he exchanged gunfire with and allegedly killed or cameras from the parking lot where he allegedly killed the couple. Another odd thing is the video that surfaced on YouTube where someone recorded a part of the news where you can clearly hear an officer say "get the gas, burn it down". Even if it was an accidental fire why wouldn't they put it out? Also I never understood what led officials to that cabin? He is still innocent until PROVEN guilty.
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Fwdftl covered everything I was going to mention lol...just want to add that there hasn't been evidence showing that Dorner was the killer in any of the events that took place. I.E. cop car dash cam that he exchanged gunfire with and allegedly killed or cameras from the parking lot where he allegedly killed the couple. Another odd thing is the video that surfaced on YouTube where someone recorded a part of the news where you can clearly hear an officer say "get the gas, burn it down". Even if it was an accidental fire why wouldn't they put it out? Also I never understood what led officials to that cabin? He is still innocent until PROVEN guilty.
You could make the case that fighting the fire would put the firefighters in danger and wouldn't be worth it, which is true. But, don't start the fire in the first place.
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You could make the case that fighting the fire would put the firefighters in danger and wouldn't be worth it, which is true. But, don't start the fire in the first place.
Lol so what are the firefighters trained for? I'm pretty sure its putting out fires. Also brings up a good point on SWAT, they're trained to go in and defuse a situation, but I'm guessing they don't want to put their life's at risk either right?


Forgot to mention if they really wanted to put it out, without putting anyone in danger, they could have dropped water from above with a helicopter
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Lol so what are the firefighters trained for? I'm pretty sure its putting out fires. Also brings up a good point on SWAT, they're trained to go in and defuse a situation, but I'm guessing they don't want to put their life's at risk either right?
I mean getting shot while they are focused on putting out the fire.
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You could make the case that fighting the fire would put the firefighters in danger and wouldn't be worth it, which is true. But, don't start the fire in the first place.
lol wut?

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lol wut?

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Pretty sure getting shot at while fighting said fire isn't part of the description.
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lol wut?

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Some peoples children

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Pretty sure getting shot at while fighting said fire isn't part of the description.
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Pretty sure getting shot at while fighting said fire isn't part of the description.
Which is why the SWAT team was there right?

Also, I'm not a fire fighter expert, but I believe fires can be put out from a helicopter too. Then no fire fighters get shot at.

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Agreed...some peoples children "slap back"

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Shows how corrupt the police department are.

It's funny how just because he is hunting down law enforcement, there is somehow a one million dollar reward for the arrest of Dorner. If it happened to normal civilians, they don't do jack shit. You think a civilian would get police protection 24/7 just because your name was listed in a manifesto? No, all you would get is just a restraining order.
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In many places there are stiffer penalties for assaulting a police officer. I see the signs on the train every day - and that's just for train conductors.

My wife asked me why they weren't putting it out and the first thing I said is that I don't think you'd find a fireman in the state willing to roll up to a house with an armed quadruple murderer in it with nothing more than a hose. It's a suicide mission.

The guy in Alabama that took the kid hostage was also shot and he didn't kill anyone.

You have a suspect who you know just shot two cops that day and a cop and two civilians a week earlier and is continuing to engage you in a gun battle and you want the cops to just sit outside until he feels like coming out? If he came to the window with a gun and is shooting at law enforcement, deadly force is then protocol. That deadly force came in the form of fire this time. Would a bullet have been more humane? I don't see where the outrage is here.
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Funny how none of the mainstream news outlets are touching that angle. America is a Police State.

When I was in Iraq and A-stan our rules of engagement.... dont fire unless fired upon...

Cops can mow down American citizens without cause (as shown with those 2 trucks) and nothing will happen to them. Maybe a paid "suspension". Sad.
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In many places there are stiffer penalties for assaulting a police officer. I see the signs on the train every day - and that's just for train conductors.

My wife asked me why they weren't putting it out and the first thing I said is that I don't think you'd find a fireman in the state willing to roll up to a house with an armed quadruple murderer in it with nothing more than a hose. It's a suicide mission.

The guy in Alabama that took the kid hostage was also shot and he didn't kill anyone.

You have a suspect who you know just shot two cops that day and a cop and two civilians a week earlier and is continuing to engage you in a gun battle and you want the cops to just sit outside until he feels like coming out? If he came to the window with a gun and is shooting at law enforcement, deadly force is then protocol. That deadly force came in the form of fire this time. Would a bullet have been more humane? I don't see where the outrage is here.
How about Waco?

Was it right to burn down the compound with 17 children inside?
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^Agreed...LAPD is out of control
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It was cold in the San Bernardino mountains, they were just starting a fire to keep him warm....
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In many places there are stiffer penalties for assaulting a police officer. I see the signs on the train every day - and that's just for train conductors.

My wife asked me why they weren't putting it out and the first thing I said is that I don't think you'd find a fireman in the state willing to roll up to a house with an armed quadruple murderer in it with nothing more than a hose. It's a suicide mission.

The guy in Alabama that took the kid hostage was also shot and he didn't kill anyone.

You have a suspect who you know just shot two cops that day and a cop and two civilians a week earlier and is continuing to engage you in a gun battle and you want the cops to just sit outside until he feels like coming out? If he came to the window with a gun and is shooting at law enforcement, deadly force is then protocol. That deadly force came in the form of fire this time. Would a bullet have been more humane? I don't see where the outrage is here.
It's pretty amazing to me that out of all the 100's of police and/or SWAT vs. ONE man, we are the ones that can't get him using rules of engagement.

Also, how is it that he even lasted more than 10 minutes in a cabin set ablaze. The smoke alone should have took him out.

Just curious...
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You have a suspect who you know just shot two cops that day and a cop and two civilians a week earlier and is continuing to engage you in a gun battle and you want the cops to just sit outside until he feels like coming out? If he came to the window with a gun and is shooting at law enforcement, deadly force is then protocol. That deadly force came in the form of fire this time. Would a bullet have been more humane? I don't see where the outrage is here.
Gunfire is to be returned against someone who poses an immediate threat to their safety or the safety of others. It was used indiscriminatley against innocent civilians on multiple occasions. If he was shooting or preparing to shoot, it's appropriate to return fire. If he wasn't, the appropriate response is to wait him out, gas him out, or go in and get him (isn't that what SWAT teams are for in the first place?). Destroying a house is excessive force outside of a warzone...and sometimes even excessive inside one. We didn't even burn down Bin Laden's house!
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Gunfire is to be returned against someone who poses an immediate threat to their safety or the safety of others. It was used indiscriminatley against innocent civilians on multiple occasions. If he was shooting or preparing to shoot, it's appropriate to return fire. If he wasn't, the appropriate response is to wait him out, gas him out, or go in and get him (isn't that what SWAT teams are for in the first place?). Destroying a house is excessive force outside of a warzone...and sometimes even excessive inside one. We didn't even burn down Bin Laden's house!
Thank you! These tactical operations are what they are trained to carry out.

Right, we didn't burn Bin Laden's house down but he was responsible for about 2,996 more deaths than Dorner.
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