[spacemonkey1112]

I know C&D get a lot of crap on these forum for posting supposedly outrageous #'s...

I was just wondering though after watching the following video, what these people have to say about C&D now?



IMO, If they are being honest (which I don't understand why they wouldn't be) with their recordings, how can you argue against their findings?

[Tsuyoi]

I'll start trusting their numbers when they make one of these videos for every car they tested, showing the results in real time. C&D, being a publication, is a for profit group, and as such ultimately care more about their bottom line than the real performance of the cars they test.

[ptack]

I don't have too many issues with C&D. They do present a fair amount of data. Some of the other magazines though have a long history of celebrating their biggest advertisers with laughable awards or comparisons.

[Tsuyoi]

Ultimately nothing beats test driving cars yourself and picking.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoi

Ultimately nothing beats test driving cars yourself and picking.

I agree 100%. I am not going to get into a purchase like a car without driving as many cars as possible. Trusting a magazine to do your research is silly.

[spacemonkey1112]

Originally Posted by Colleymax

Where is this video ? Please post it here..I am very much attracted to this video...

weird, i thought i embedded it properly. here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=5J1ICrK36RI

[surewin]

That's weird. I didn't know that C&D gets a lot crap here, especially since they LOVE BMWs.

[elwesso]

Honestly numbers are just that- numbers. It's easy to sit there and compare the overall specs and say "well this car is better because it stops 60-0 in 5ft less, or does the 1/4 mile in 0.3 sec less".

The fact of the matter is that in reality, there's so many more things that go into how a car drives that the car magazines almost don't mean a whole lot to me, IMO, and much of the things these magazines say is very subjective.

For instance, just because a car is faster in the 1/4 mile doesn't mean you won't lose a race to a slower car (in the 1/4 mile) on the highway or something. These numbers also don't mean a whole lot by how fast the car feels.. Even if it's slower, it might "feel" faster, due to gearing and/or torque at certain RPM's. Also, two people could drive the exact same car and one person might say the steering is too heavy, and another person might say it feels just right.

[Jazz555]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoi

Ultimately nothing beats test driving cars yourself and picking.

I agree with you.

[SaMaster14]

I've never hated C&D. thanks for sharing the vid!

[spacemonkey1112]

Originally Posted by elwesso

Honestly numbers are just that- numbers. It's easy to sit there and compare the overall specs and say "well this car is better because it stops 60-0 in 5ft less, or does the 1/4 mile in 0.3 sec less".

The fact of the matter is that in reality, there's so many more things that go into how a car drives that the car magazines almost don't mean a whole lot to me, IMO, and much of the things these magazines say is very subjective.

For instance, just because a car is faster in the 1/4 mile doesn't mean you won't lose a race to a slower car (in the 1/4 mile) on the highway or something. These numbers also don't mean a whole lot by how fast the car feels.. Even if it's slower, it might "feel" faster, due to gearing and/or torque at certain RPM's. Also, two people could drive the exact same car and one person might say the steering is too heavy, and another person might say it feels just right.

you sorta lost me here... what do you mean the numbers dont mean much according to how fast the car feels? #'s are #'s... a car that can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds will feel like a car that can do 0-60 in under 5 seconds. I don't think that feeling is really subjective. Yes there is commentary to what is more preferable to a driver (steering, suspension, seating, etc...) & those things I agree will have to be taken with a grain of salt. I think most of us are just not fortunate enough to be able to drive some of these machines to have first had experience behind the wheel. Thus we trust these writers & car enthusiast.