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      11-07-2012, 01:04 AM   #89
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Mercedes already offers Bluetec in their R, E, ML, GL and even S-class vehicles. All they need is a C and/or B diesel and their line up will be complete.

BMW is the one playing catch up to MB.

Mercedes does not have a diesel wagon though.... I like my primary wagon to be large-ish. Thus I have the E61 currently because it's fun as a 6 spd and the inline 6 with Dinan Stage 2 is fast yet still rather fuel efficient.

Whoever brings the next diesel wagon will get my business. I know it won't be Audi but it may be BMW or Mercedes. I like that the current MB E350 is a great size for big trips and hauling stuff, similar to the E61/F10 5 series.

The next 3 wagon however will be larger than the 2007 328iT6 Sport Wagon, 6spd I bought new in 2007 but later sold for a more capable wagon.
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Excellent News - but why no 1er?

Driving a 2010 A3 TDI - nice, but just no BMW

Was really hoping we'd see the F20 120d coming to the US for 2013. I'm ready-willing-able to place my ED order. Please BMW, sell me this car
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Exactly.
Last time around I don't think 335d sold all that well


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Interesting to see US enthusiasts embracing diesel in a country where 99.99% of cars are gas.

Over in France where 99.99% of cars are diesel, enthusiasts are always on the lookout for the rare gas engine.

Another case of grass is greener?
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      11-07-2012, 11:19 AM   #93
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Enthusiest love the Deisels, because they make sense...but noone really asks for them except for people who have owned deisels in the past. BMW along with other german makers have strayed away for years and I belive will release these cars very cautiosly and in low numbers, just like the wagon. The American market is an illogical behaving market because its filled with stupid Americans who think wagons are lame and deisels are loud and stupid.
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Mercedes does not have a diesel wagon though.... I like my primary wagon to be large-ish. Thus I have the E61 currently because it's fun as a 6 spd and the inline 6 with Dinan Stage 2 is fast yet still rather fuel efficient.

Whoever brings the next diesel wagon will get my business. I know it won't be Audi but it may be BMW or Mercedes. I like that the current MB E350 is a great size for big trips and hauling stuff, similar to the E61/F10 5 series.

The next 3 wagon however will be larger than the 2007 328iT6 Sport Wagon, 6spd I bought new in 2007 but later sold for a more capable wagon.
What an awesome car you have. Was looking at E91's on Autotrader the other day with 6MT and only found 1 in a 500 mile radius. I'd love to have an E61 like that.

Having said that, make mine an F31 with 6 cyl, 8AT, Mpack, CWP and HUD. Will only be slightly less efficient than 4cyl since my drive is mostly highway, yet still have all the torque I'll ever need. Also more refinement too.

FYI, checked the BMW UK website, and while I know their testing procedure is different than EPA, they are claiming that the F31 330d will do 46 US MPG combined cycle!

This is too exciting
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Absolutely. I've driven my share of 120d, 320d, 330d all with MT's. To me anyway, the fun part about having an MT is to be able to rev the engines, then perform the perfect shift.

With diesel engines, you get to play with 3-4k RPM's, then you have to shift again. Also a pretty jerky experience too.
Yes yes yes.

Back a few years ago I drove an X3 diesel manual around France for a few weeks and wanted to punch myself in the groin. Just when the fun starts as the revs rise, it ends abruptly. Shift shift shift.

I can't think of a driving experience more opposite than say, the holy grail of bimmers, the E30 M3.

I'm not a diesel hater, just don't think most people have driven a manual one.
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Finally a 5-series with a diesel. FINALLY. And please just offer them with the M Kit right off the bat. It's annoying when they don't.
Hit the nail on the head. A 5 series + Diesel + M-sport is very high on my radar.
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Audi and BMW do not really want to sell diesels, People who would buy diesels obviously are cost conscious, if the price of gas is an important factor when you buy a car, are you going to buy the most expensive one?? that is why the 335d did not sell well, I can also predict the same fate for the Active Hybrid...

Looking at Audi's plan, they are going to release diesel engines in the A4, which I think would be their prime market, last with the next gen model... (after A6,A8..)Way to go.

If you want Diesels to be popular, they have to be available on your entry level cars it's that simple. My next car will be an oil burner, depending on how BMW Canada is going to roll out here, I might go to Mazda as an other option.
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3 wagon here I come...!!!

God I hope there is an X Drive option!
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Yes yes yes.

Back a few years ago I drove an X3 diesel manual around France for a few weeks and wanted to punch myself in the groin. Just when the fun starts as the revs rise, it ends abruptly. Shift shift shift.

I can't think of a driving experience more opposite than say, the holy grail of bimmers, the E30 M3.

I'm not a diesel hater, just don't think most people have driven a manual one.
I have a few times as rentals in Europe. Focus and Megane. The power delivery is fun in that you surf the wave of torque. Bottom line is that torque is what we use in daily driving. Very few people actually bother to push an engine to the upper reaches of the tach. It takes a bit getting used to, but is awesome.
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I want to be the first to say I be placing an ED order on a new 3 series diesel.

This is a great decision that BMW NA is doing. Good job. !
No! I'll be the first, but in a touring edition!
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Mercedes does not have a diesel wagon though....
Not sure what you consider the R class then? Definitely not a sedan and not a true wagon like the E-class. Maybe more minivanish, but provides everything that a wagon does. (And for the record, I wouldn't get near one...lol )
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Audi and BMW do not really want to sell diesels, People who would buy diesels obviously are cost conscious, if the price of gas is an important factor when you buy a car, are you going to buy the most expensive one?? that is why the 335d did not sell well, I can also predict the same fate for the Active Hybrid...

Looking at Audi's plan, they are going to release diesel engines in the A4, which I think would be their prime market, last with the next gen model... (after A6,A8..)Way to go.

If you want Diesels to be popular, they have to be available on your entry level cars it's that simple. My next car will be an oil burner, depending on how BMW Canada is going to roll out here, I might go to Mazda as an other option.
I don't agree with your first statement. I had the choice to buy any of the X5 variants and chose the diesel for what the engine provided relevant to where we live (ie. the torque and it's delivery combined with doing mainly highway driving). It had nothing to do with price. I'd buy a 750 diesel if they stuck the M50d engine in it from overseas as well.

The cheaper cost of premium diesel and improved fuel economy is a "nice" benefit of choosing this engine, but not the driving factor around choosing it.
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The 3er wagon in the US has never had the 'big' gas engine...why would they put the big diesel in it? I'm guessing the 320d motor only for the US...:sadbanana
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I don't agree with your first statement. I had the choice to buy any of the X5 variants and chose the diesel for what the engine provided relevant to where we live (ie. the torque and it's delivery combined with doing mainly highway driving). It had nothing to do with price. I'd buy a 750 diesel if they stuck the M50d engine in it from overseas as well.

The cheaper cost of premium diesel and improved fuel economy is a "nice" benefit of choosing this engine, but not the driving factor around choosing it.
It may be true for a SUV, but who needs 400+ pds of torque on a normal car?
The price of gas in europe is 2$+ a liter, and 90% of what you see on the streets is the smaller diesel engines. The day we pay the same here the choice will be natural.
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Went on the German BMW site to compare prices. I am focusing on the 320d Touring (f31). The premium for a wagon is Eur 1,750 (about $2,300) while the 320d is about Eur 2,050 cheaper ($2,650) than the 328i. That makes a 320d Touring Eur 300 cheaper than the 328i (f30) sedan!. Whether, BMW will apply this pricing difference in the US... Let's hope so, I think its competitive. Note that the 330d is Eur 6,790 ($8,800 !!) more expensive than the 320d.
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Is the 550d tri-turbo part of the US release??
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Over in France where 99.99% of cars are diesel, enthusiasts are always on the lookout for the rare gas engine.

Another case of grass is greener?
Ship them a '96 Geo Metro with the 3-cyl Suzuki 1.0l gas plant. They'll be thrilled. Awesome car for the POS that it is.
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Is the 550d tri-turbo part of the US release??
With our cetane issues and poor fuel quality? Not a chance.
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In all fairness to my fellow Americans my 3 series diesel is quite loud. It's not really the engine's fault; it's the tires, they just keep squealing and won't shut up.
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