[philthy84]

Just picked up 2 new firearms this pass month. Finally took the initiative and went to a handgun safety class so I can apply for my CHL here in Oregon. Just a little side rant but one thing I don't miss about CA is the stupid liberal gun laws. Anyways my Glock 19 didn't really fit the bill for me at least as a CC gun especially in the upcoming summer months. The Glock will stay as my bed side firearm though.

So I purchased a black Kahr PM9 w/ NS for that role. After shooting this baby and breaking her in with around 500 or so target rounds and about 50 SD rounds without a single malfunction I feel confident enough to trust it with mine or my loved one's life if the situation called for it.

My second firearm purchase was a Daniel Defense XV M4 carbine. This is my first AR and I'm loving it so far. This was purchased mostly for a range and just to have fun type firearm but I also consider it my SHTF, zombie apocalypse gun, ect.... Here are the pics of the PM9 and the DDXV w/ some mods.

[CollinsE90]

Finally 'pulled the trigger,' bought it used at an armory with its own gunsmith. Came with everything from factory for $399. Springfield XD40c.

[MisterSkiMask]

nice pick, have some fun with it

[andybui82]

im actually in the process of getting my first gun. any suggestions? dont feel like spending too much either.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

nice pick, have some fun with it

Thanks man, I plan to.

edit: any recommendations on ammunition? Right now I have some Remington hollow point 165 grains.

Originally Posted by andybui82

im actually in the process of getting my first gun. any suggestions? dont feel like spending too much either.

Read back about 10 pages and you'll get what you need, these guys helped me with the same question about 10 pages ago.

Paid $399+tax for this gun, and it's known to be very reliable. Glock is a good budget handgun, too. Very reliable.

tldr: Glock, Springfield XD, or Sig.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Thanks man, I plan to.

edit: any recommendations on ammunition? Right now I have some Remington hollow point 165 grains.



Read back about 10 pages and you'll get what you need, these guys helped me with the same question about 10 pages ago.

Paid $399+tax for this gun, and it's known to be very reliable. Glock is a good budget handgun, too. Very reliable.

tldr: Glock, Springfield XD, or Sig.

I buy Remington or Winchester bulk ammo for the range which ever is cheaper wolf has a reputation for being dirty. Some ranges don't allow aluminum shells so I avoid them.

[ybbiz34]

FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds for the range. Winchester, Federal, and Speer Lawman are good choices. Some people buy Remington UMC but I refuse to use it in any of my pistols.

JHP (jacketed hollow point) rounds for self-defense. Speer Gold Dot, Federal Hydra-Shok, Hornady Critical Defense.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Thanks man, I plan to.

edit: any recommendations on ammunition? Right now I have some Remington hollow point 165 grains.



Read back about 10 pages and you'll get what you need, these guys helped me with the same question about 10 pages ago.

Paid $399+tax for this gun, and it's known to be very reliable. Glock is a good budget handgun, too. Very reliable.

tldr: Glock, Springfield XD, or Sig.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds for the range. Winchester, Federal, and Speer Lawman are good choices. Some people buy Remington UMC but I refuse to use it in any of my pistols.

JHP (jacketed hollow point) rounds for self-defense. Speer Gold Dot, Federal Hydra-Shok, Hornady Critical Defense.

Thanks man, picked up a box of Winchester JHP. How'd I do on the handgun purchase?

Also, recommendations on cleaning supplies and techniques?

P.P.S. Looking at the X2 Light/Laser combo, and a ported barrel

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Thanks man, I plan to.

edit: any recommendations on ammunition? Right now I have some Remington hollow point 165 grains.



Read back about 10 pages and you'll get what you need, these guys helped me with the same question about 10 pages ago.

Paid $399+tax for this gun, and it's known to be very reliable. Glock is a good budget handgun, too. Very reliable.

tldr: Glock, Springfield XD, or Sig.

.40 cal for first handgun seems a bit too crazy IMO. When you get your first handgun, you just want to shoot the hell out of it. It will cost you an arm and a leg just to continuing shoot .40.

BTW, it's a XD. They shoot anything u give it. Get some steel ammo Wolf from walmart. ~9.00 per 50 or FMJ federal 100 bulk pack for $20. I usually stick to reloads because they are cheap ass hell and shoot cleaner than some factory ammo

For HD ammo

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Thanks man, picked up a box of Winchester JHP. How'd I do on the handgun purchase?

Also, recommendations on cleaning supplies and techniques?

P.P.S. Looking at the X2 Light/Laser combo, and a ported barrel

If you like the pistol and can shoot it well, that is all that matters. I personally do not own any XDs. Nor will I ever purchase one.

Cleaning supplies: Rem Oil or Frog Lube to LIGHTLY lube the rails after cleaning. Use Hoppe's 9 to clean out all the residue, brass, etc. Coat the barrel with Hoppe's. Run a couple of Hoppe's soaked patches down the barrel (do NOT clean from the muzzle end or you will damage the crown of the barrel) by using a cleaning rod. Run a few dry patches down the barrel until they start coming out clean. Then, run a final patch down the barrel with some lube on it.

As far as the light goes, I'd look at a SureFire X300. Lasers are kind of gimmicky, IMHO. Spend any extra cash on a good pair of sights and lots of plinking ammo.

Skip the ported barrel. Not necessary on a defensive handgun, IMO. Any recoil reduction advantages would be nice if the gun were to be used in competition shooting.

Congrats.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

If you like the pistol and can shoot it well, that is all that matters. I personally do not own any XDs. Nor will I ever purchase one.

Cleaning supplies: Rem Oil or Frog Lube to LIGHTLY lube the rails after cleaning. Use Hoppe's 9 to clean out all the residue, brass, etc. Coat the barrel with Hoppe's. Run a couple of Hoppe's soaked patches down the barrel (do NOT clean from the muzzle end or you will damage the crown of the barrel) by using a cleaning rod. Run a few dry patches down the barrel until they start coming out clean. Then, run a final patch down the barrel with some lube on it.

As far as the light goes, I'd look at a SureFire X300. Lasers are kind of gimmicky, IMHO. Spend any extra cash on a good pair of sights and lots of plinking ammo.

Skip the ported barrel. Not necessary on a defensive handgun, IMO. Any recoil reduction advantages would be nice if the gun were to be used in competition shooting.

Congrats.

You seem to have a fair number of hard line opinions, no umc, no xd... There are others in this thread, any reasons?

[Inspired]

CLP is all I use on all my guns. I add a bit of Remoil on my AR15.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

You seem to have a fair number of hard line opinions, no umc, no xd... There are others in this thread, any reasons?

I'm sorry if it offends you. Not my intention. I just don't sugar coat anything when it comes down to tools that I may call upon one day to save my life. If all I cared about was shooting clods of dirt, I'd care less and have less "hard-line opinions."

If you think I'm nasty, spend a couple of hours on here: m4carbine.net.

I have personally seen several pistols malfunction while trying to digest UMC. With that ammo I have seen: Bad primers, light loads, etc. I'm sure that there are good batches out there but why risk it when I can procure ammo that I know works for me instead? With range ammo, it's not a huge problem, but an unnecessary problem nonetheless.

On XDs, I strongly dislike the grip safety. So does every other law enforcement agency in this country that refuses to adopt it. There's a reason why they choose Glocks, M&Ps, Sigs . . . just about everything besides the XD or new XD(M). Why is it necessary to make one-handed operation of the weapon more complicated and add another part that can make the gun fail? If dirt or debris prevents the grip safety from being depressed, you are, for lack of a better word, fuc*ed.

I also do not care for the higher bore axis on the XD, which makes the gun prone to produce more muzzle flip. This is annoying on a polymer-framed pistol. My Sig P229 has a higher bore axis than my Glock but all of that weight with the Sig helps tame it a bit.

Also, I know those who have had serious problems with mag release assembly on the XD after it has been contaminated with dirt, debris, etc.

It has also been reported that the magazine springs in the XD are a weak link across all the board (from 9mm to .45).

Will I buy an XD? No. Will I recommend an XD to someone looking to buy a handgun? No. Would I STOP someone from buying one? No. What people want to do with their own money is their business.

Hope this helps.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I'm sorry if it offends you. Not my intention. I just don't sugar coat anything when it comes down to tools that I may call upon one day to save my life. If all I cared about was shooting clods of dirt, I'd care less and have less "hard-line opinions."

If you think I'm nasty, spend a couple of hours on here: m4carbine.net.

I have personally seen several pistols malfunction while trying to digest UMC. With that ammo I have seen: Bad primers, light loads, etc. I'm sure that there are good batches out there but why risk it when I can procure ammo that I know works for me instead? With range ammo, it's not a huge problem, but an unnecessary problem nonetheless.

On XDs, I strongly dislike the grip safety. So does every other law enforcement agency in this country that refuses to adopt it. There's a reason why they choose Glocks, M&Ps, Sigs . . . just about everything besides the XD or new XD(M). Why is it necessary to make one-handed operation of the weapon more complicated and add another part that can make the gun fail? If dirt or debris prevents the grip safety from being depressed, you are, for lack of a better word, fuc*ed.

I also do not care for the higher bore axis on the XD, which makes the gun prone to produce more muzzle flip. This is annoying on a polymer-framed pistol. My Sig P229 has a higher bore axis than my Glock but all of that weight with the Sig helps tame it a bit.

Also, I know those who have had serious problems with mag release assembly on the XD after it has been contaminated with dirt, debris, etc.

It has also been reported that the magazine springs in the XD are a weak link across all the board (from 9mm to .45).

Will I buy an XD? No. Will I recommend an XD to someone looking to buy a handgun? No. Would I STOP someone from buying one? No. What people want to do with their own money is their business.

Hope this helps.

I'm not offended in the slightest way, just curious about reasons when someone has a very black and white opinion (particularly someone who seems knowledgeable on the subject, and who has given good advice before).

I have never fired an xd, lately I have been using my glocks more then any of my other guns, and the eat any ammo I have fed them.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

I'm not offended in the slightest way, just curious about reasons when someone has a very black and white opinion (particularly someone who seems knowledgeable on the subject, and who has given good advice before).

I have never fired an xd, lately I have been using my glocks more then any of my other guns, and the eat any ammo I have fed them.

Good deal. Just making sure.

One time I had a box of UMC full of light loads. They would barely cycle the slide on my G26. One was so weak I had a stovepipe. That's the only malfunction I have had with any of my Glocks and it was attributable to that box of ammo.

I have been mainly shooting my Walther PPQ (9mm) lately. It's probably my favorite polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol. Incredible trigger.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Good deal. Just making sure.

One time I had a box of UMC full of light loads. They would barely cycle the slide on my G26. One was so weak I had a stovepipe. That's the only malfunction I have had with any of my Glocks and it was attributable to that box of ammo.

I have been mainly shooting my Walther PPQ (9mm) lately. It's probably my favorite polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol. Incredible trigger.

I have heard good things about the ppq, yet another gun I would, but can not buy in California

[E90SoFlo]

Not a gun, but I finally got my Dillon 650

[805beemer]

Here's my Sig P226 navy seal edition

[slo_guy]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

On XDs, I strongly dislike the grip safety. So does every other law enforcement agency in this country that refuses to adopt it. There's a reason why they choose Glocks, M&Ps, Sigs . . . just about everything besides the XD or new XD(M). Why is it necessary to make one-handed operation of the weapon more complicated and add another part that can make the gun fail? If dirt or debris prevents the grip safety from being depressed, you are, for lack of a better word, fuc*ed.

I also do not care for the higher bore axis on the XD, which makes the gun prone to produce more muzzle flip. This is annoying on a polymer-framed pistol. My Sig P229 has a higher bore axis than my Glock but all of that weight with the Sig helps tame it a bit.

Also, I know those who have had serious problems with mag release assembly on the XD after it has been contaminated with dirt, debris, etc.

It has also been reported that the magazine springs in the XD are a weak link across all the board (from 9mm to .45).

Will I buy an XD? No. Will I recommend an XD to someone looking to buy a handgun? No. Would I STOP someone from buying one? No. What people want to do with their own money is their business.

Hope this helps.

Let me start off by saying I'm more of a SIG fanboy than anything. I own a P220, P228, P230, and a SIG 556 SWAT and 522. I even shoot USPSA limited with an X-Five. I also love H&Ks as I've got a USP Compact, a Mark 23, P7M10, and an SP-89. I've got a few others as well INCLUDING two XDs. I have to admit that my XDs are among the most fun to shoot in USPSA/IPSC. I've shot them for 3 years now, and I have yet to have the FTFs and stovepiping I had with my G17 and G22. I've NEVER had the mag release problems that you are talking about when the gun is dirty. I've also NEVER had a problem with the magazines and I use the stocks ones because I shoot production. Do I like shooting my SP-01, X-Five, and Caspians more...sure, but not by much.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that selecting a gun is a personal choice. How it fits in your hand and how comfortable you are accessing its features are important factors. So if you don't like it...to each his own. I actually agree with you about the grip safety. It does get annoying. I have to disagree with you about the reasons law enforcement agencies DON'T pick them up. Those other guns are picked up because of political reasons. I know there are criteria to be filled, but when it comes to getting guns from reputable companies, it's because the "money under the handshake" wasn't enough or they aren't as close with the rep. Just like real sales, lots of things are dependent on the marketing and the sales rep. So don't pollute this guys mind by saying this is a reason he shouldn't pick up an XD. The law enforcement agencies here didn't have the P7s and they don't have work issued Caspians, Wilson Combats, Nighthawks, or STI's. Are you going to tell me these are inferior guns now?

I like my XDs more than my Glocks because they feel better in MY hand, feel well balanced, and I like the crispness of the trigger. The "springy" feeling when I shoot my Glocks reminds me of shooting a NERF gun. I don't have a problem with recoil with my XDs. Breaking the second shot on a double tap is hindered by me trying to re-align.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by slo_guy

Let me start off by saying I'm more of a SIG fanboy than anything. I own a P220, P228, P230, and a SIG 556 SWAT and 522. I even shoot USPSA limited with an X-Five. I also love H&Ks as I've got a USP Compact, a Mark 23, P7M10, and an SP-89. I've got a few others as well INCLUDING two XDs. I have to admit that my XDs are among the most fun to shoot in USPSA/IPSC. I've shot them for 3 years now, and I have yet to have the FTFs and stovepiping I had with my G17 and G22. I've NEVER had the mag release problems that you are talking about when the gun is dirty. I've also NEVER had a problem with the magazines and I use the stocks ones because I shoot production. Do I like shooting my SP-01, X-Five, and Caspians more...sure, but not by much.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that selecting a gun is a personal choice. How it fits in your hand and how comfortable you are accessing its features are important factors. So if you don't like it...to each his own. I actually agree with you about the grip safety. It does get annoying. I have to disagree with you about the reasons law enforcement agencies DON'T pick them up. Those other guns are picked up because of political reasons. I know there are criteria to be filled, but when it comes to getting guns from reputable companies, it's because the "money under the handshake" wasn't enough or they aren't as close with the rep. Just like real sales, lots of things are dependent on the marketing and the sales rep. So don't pollute this guys mind by saying this is a reason he shouldn't pick up an XD. The law enforcement agencies here didn't have the P7s and they don't have work issued Caspians, Wilson Combats, Nighthawks, or STI's. Are you going to tell me these are inferior guns now?

I like my XDs more than my Glocks because they feel better in MY hand, feel well balanced, and I like the crispness of the trigger. The "springy" feeling when I shoot my Glocks reminds me of shooting a NERF gun. I don't have a problem with recoil with my XDs. Breaking the second shot on a double tap is hindered by me trying to re-align.

What is the difference between those 3?

[ybbiz34]

I agree 100% that selecting a pistol is a highly personal choice.

Regarding your point about why the XDs have 0 LE contracts - I have read that the grip safety is one of the biggest obstacles that prevents their selection. Wounded officers must be able to manipulate their pistols one-handed (including one-handed with the weak hand). Having the grip safety doesn't make one-handed manipulation impossible, but it does make it more difficult certainly because it REQUIRES a particular grip on the pistol to make it operable.

The other reason that prevents LE agencies from choosing them (XDs) is the cost. For whatever reason, even though the XDs are priced similarly to Glocks with respect to civilian sales, I think Glock and S&W pretty much give their pistols away to LE.

Further, the fact that you have never had a problem with your XDs but you've had issues with Glocks doesn't really prove anything about either platform (not trying to sound like a dick when I say that but it kind of reads that way haha). Nonetheless, I'm glad your XDs have run well for you!

Circling back to really the most significant point - pistol selection comes down to personal preference. You don't like Glocks and there are thousands of others that are right there with you. They choose instead 1911s, M&Ps (which are quite nice, I must say), Sigs, or XDs. I've had Glocks and M&Ps and like them both just fine but I slightly prefer the Glock because my first M&P 9 had to have the barrel and striker assembly replaced (I sold it but later picked up an M&P 9 Shield).

I never cared for the XD because of the grip safety, tall slide/higher bore axis, and I just think they are plain ugly as sin. My Glocks are ugly too.

At the end of the day, I feel that responsible armed citizens are on the same team. I wasn't trying to shi* on his (i.e., Collins) purchase.

But he asked me how he did, so I responded . . . honestly.

P.S. - I'm not a Glock fanboy by any means. I own the following pistols:

- Glock 23
- Glock 26
- Walther PPQ
- Sig P229
- HK45C
- S&W M&P 9 Shield

I just like to shoot pistols that: 1) I can shoot proficiently with and 2) Have good reputations.

Originally Posted by slo_guy

Let me start off by saying I'm more of a SIG fanboy than anything. I own a P220, P228, P230, and a SIG 556 SWAT and 522. I even shoot USPSA limited with an X-Five. I also love H&Ks as I've got a USP Compact, a Mark 23, P7M10, and an SP-89. I've got a few others as well INCLUDING two XDs. I have to admit that my XDs are among the most fun to shoot in USPSA/IPSC. I've shot them for 3 years now, and I have yet to have the FTFs and stovepiping I had with my G17 and G22. I've NEVER had the mag release problems that you are talking about when the gun is dirty. I've also NEVER had a problem with the magazines and I use the stocks ones because I shoot production. Do I like shooting my SP-01, X-Five, and Caspians more...sure, but not by much.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that selecting a gun is a personal choice. How it fits in your hand and how comfortable you are accessing its features are important factors. So if you don't like it...to each his own. I actually agree with you about the grip safety. It does get annoying. I have to disagree with you about the reasons law enforcement agencies DON'T pick them up. Those other guns are picked up because of political reasons. I know there are criteria to be filled, but when it comes to getting guns from reputable companies, it's because the "money under the handshake" wasn't enough or they aren't as close with the rep. Just like real sales, lots of things are dependent on the marketing and the sales rep. So don't pollute this guys mind by saying this is a reason he shouldn't pick up an XD. The law enforcement agencies here didn't have the P7s and they don't have work issued Caspians, Wilson Combats, Nighthawks, or STI's. Are you going to tell me these are inferior guns now?

I like my XDs more than my Glocks because they feel better in MY hand, feel well balanced, and I like the crispness of the trigger. The "springy" feeling when I shoot my Glocks reminds me of shooting a NERF gun. I don't have a problem with recoil with my XDs. Breaking the second shot on a double tap is hindered by me trying to re-align.

[CollinsE90]