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$20 minimum wage for Fast-Food workers in California [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS / COVID]
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04-04-2024, 06:41 PM | #23 | |
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The 1970s was the decade this country began to choose to live beyond its means in a significant way, and we've been doing so ever since. See: https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-d...y-year-3306306 We've generally been successful because we have the world's reserve currency (read: foreigners will buy the bonds that finance our annual deficits) and because we're still rich enough to make the interest payments on our current $34.6 trillion of national debt. However, the day of reckoning is approaching, and to continue to make the numbers work, Americans who are younger today will find it necessary to pull the plug on the party. I'm glad I won't be here to see how that plays out. Since the subject is minimum wage workers, it's worth noting that the difference in the financial lives of much of the bottom 50% and the lives of those in the top 20% are so different that it's a wonder we don't have more social unrest. I've assumed it's because the American Dream is still alive and well and that it continues to inspire our citizens as it draws-in millions of people from around the world, both legally and illegally. That dream must be kept alive or the day when we won't recognize our country may be closer than we imagine. There's no real need at this time, as CA is fully and completely a one-party state. Running with your thought, though, it's certainly yet another form of virtue signaling.
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04-04-2024, 08:06 PM | #24 | |
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Part time employees are not obligated to offer benefits such as health insurance under ACA as an example. Overtime (1.5x pay) doesn't kick in until 40+ hours. Etc. Employers would be mad to offer 40 hour work weeks to minimum wage employees at this rate. Imagine paying now $30/hr for an entry level fast food worker in plus hours and covering xx% of a medical plan on top. My guess is you'll be floating an average of high 20s of hours a week and see closer to mid-to-high $20k take home after a full year of work. Your only option is to have two or three jobs to achieve enough hours to be "full time", but not qualifying for any of the benefits of being full time. So we're landing at someone, in California (that also has a 7.5% base sales tax), is realistically going to be trying to "live" with $25k in their pocket after a year's work. What is the benefit in doing this? The only output I see is the cost of "_____" will rise substantially for everyone with no meaningful impact to those on the recipient side of $20/hr. |
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04-04-2024, 08:15 PM | #25 |
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Smoke in mirrors. Unions and politicians. They are in bed with each other, and will soon, if not already govern every major city. They do not care about employees and their wages. That is on the surface with all of the emotion. They care about political advancement and the unions with their dues. The dollar just shrinks in the long run, for everyone.
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04-04-2024, 08:20 PM | #26 |
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Once restaurants started adding 3%-4% to the bill to "cover increased costs," I started deducting that same percentage from my tip.
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04-04-2024, 08:27 PM | #27 |
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A step in the right direction finally.
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04-04-2024, 08:28 PM | #28 | |
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04-04-2024, 08:30 PM | #29 |
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If find yourself working in fast food place and you’re not a teenager and still living under your parent’s roof, you should be saying to yourself what the hell did you do wrong in your life. Those jobs that pay minimum wage were meant for anyone to provide a living wage. Those are starter jobs to get experience and teach you to do something better in life.
I personally never did those kinds of jobs when I was teenager. I was always was able to find jobs that paid more, but those jobs required you to work hard real manual labor. One job I had was working in lumber yard loading contractors trucks, another was working on golf course taking care of greens and stuff, I also worked in the warehouse of moving company unloading and loading trucks. I understand not everyone has skills, however, if you want to make a good living there are plenty of jobs that do not require a degree of specific skills that pay really well, but you have have to work. One example you can become a truck driver, most companies will train you and the starting wage is $55k, however, it’s not an easy work. There are 10 of thousands of truck driver jobs. |
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04-04-2024, 08:34 PM | #30 | |
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I need to stop reading this thread, I'm loosing faith in humanity while wasting my time. Adios. |
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04-04-2024, 08:55 PM | #31 | |
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04-04-2024, 09:59 PM | #32 | |
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Minimum wage increases, as was said before, also increases the wages of those higher up the wage ladder. If Joe fry cook gets an extra $4 than so should I. After all, I have seniority over Joe. Unions are past their time (I've been in more than one). They do nothing but protect the incompetent and line the pockets of the officials. Like said before, higher wages=higher union dues. Next step is to unionize FF workers. The SEIU is just looking for more income. Like I said before, if one is at minimum wage for more than 6 months, they are a loser. |
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04-05-2024, 06:44 AM | #34 |
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The math has already started, and it is affecting even those not affected by the law.
Loren Wright, the owner of Fosters Freeze, cited the CA newly enacted minimum wage legislation as the driving force behind the restaurant’s closure. Despite potential exemptions for smaller businesses, Wright indicated that the wage hike would have placed unsustainable financial pressure on the establishment. |
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
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04-05-2024, 09:53 AM | #37 |
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I'm always in two minds with this. As a former employer of entry level folks I can see the need to temper wages as the costs are real to employers but coming from Australia, where entry level jobs have always, always paid a TON more than the USA, they seem to make it work just fine.
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Newsom's Restaurant Pays $16 an Hour Despite Law Crippling Fast Food Chains with $20 Minimum Wage
However, this only applies to fast food restaurants -- not, say, high-end restaurants and wineries owned by posh individuals like, oh, say, Gavin Newsom. But surely those employees are making over $20 an hour already, right? Yet again, Newsom is leading by anti-example, according to the Post. "PlumpJack Cafe in Olympic Valley -- which is among a group of eateries owned by a company Newsom founded in 1992 -- is hiring a part-time busser who 'will aim to assist the food server … to ensure guest satisfaction during all aspects of the dining experience,' according to a ZipRecruiter posting," the outlet reported on Thursday. "The job listing states the salary for the busser is $16 an hour plus tips." https://www.westernjournal.com/newso...-minimum-wage/ |
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04-05-2024, 10:03 AM | #39 | |
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If you raise wages you either have to increase prices, cut somewhere else or lower profits and I’m willing to bet most big corporations will not do the latter. Maybe Australia uses special math, but if that’s the case why stop at $20/hour? If raising labor costs has no negative effects why not keep going? I’m sure there are plenty of places you can’t live in for $20/hour. Why not $30 or $50 or $480/hour so everyone can become a millionaire in a year. |
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04-05-2024, 10:03 AM | #40 |
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So minimum wage aside, the actual argument for minimum wage is a "living wage"...
I live near San Francisco. They did a study on what a livable wage was for San Francisco. The result? $50+/hour or a $100,000 salary... to afford food and rent and occasionally eat out and take a small vacation. And we actually have politicians out here (Barbara Lee) who is pushing for a $50 "living wage" because "businesses can afford it."
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04-05-2024, 10:08 AM | #41 | |
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All I know is, I go home pretty often and i see ads for $30 an hr for grocery clerks, yes the cost of living is higher than the USA but it seems to work with at least the same success as the US low min wage theory in a broad sense. |
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04-05-2024, 10:46 AM | #43 | |
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