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      02-07-2009, 11:29 PM   #1
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loose change final cut - truth or fiction? You decide

Watch the video, THEN discuss

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ange+final+cut


What do you think?

STAY OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE

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      02-08-2009, 12:17 AM   #2
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two hours??? waAAAAYyyAYAYYYYY too long... lets just discuss it now...
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yea, synopsis. i'm interested
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      02-08-2009, 12:28 AM   #4
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I haven't watched the entire video but fuck it..


9/11 was staged.
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I haven't watched the entire video but fuck it..


9/11 was staged.
you're just jealous because it happened to new york and not to you.
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you're just jealous because it happened to new york and not to you.
riiight.
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how does an entire city post on the internet, anyway?
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how does an entire city post on the internet, anyway?
multiple people using one username and password?
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@ LA posting....ahahaha
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      02-08-2009, 01:33 AM   #10
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Synopsis basically states that the people that witnessed the buildings falling heard explosives like a detonation, the Pent - where's the plane at?

They're using scientific, empirical evidence to disprove the media. Won't say any more for fear of the FBI standing outside my door.
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Don't forget your tin foil hats boys!!!
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Don't forget your tin foil hats boys!!!
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This has already been debunked multiple times. The History Channel even had a whole show about Loose Change and they had experts in explosives, engineering, building design, etc. all show why and how everything happened the way it did.
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Also theres a similar movie the Zeitgeist (which you can watch on google video) that just goes for the trifecta, Christianity, 9/11, and government
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How does the base of a high riser collapse when its hit at the top???
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also what happened to building 7?
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^not only that, why did the pinnacle of the world's military i.e. the pentagon only release 5 slides of footage from the "plane" that hit it? Ok, no problem a plane hit it, but where was it? why were the light poles facing away from the pentagon if the plane ran INTO it? I'm not denying it happened, just the cause of the incident....
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^not only that, why did the pinnacle of the world's military i.e. the pentagon only release 5 slides of footage from the "plane" that hit it? Ok, no problem a plane hit it, but where was it? why were the light poles facing away from the pentagon if the plane ran INTO it? I'm not denying it happened, just the cause of the incident....
If you blow something up doesn't the debris point away from the explosion? If the plane flew into the building, caused a massive explosion, isn't it entirely plausible to think that the shock wave knocked down the poles away from the building?

As far as the 5 frames from that gate camera, the camera was set to record frames. It doesn't matter how great the military is, a 2 megapixel security camera isn't going to record any great pictures. The camera was focused to only record a few feet away at cars entering the gate. A plane going in excess of 500mph isn't going to be on screen for very long, and even if it is, the plane is going so fast that whatever the camera captures will be blurred. Same type of effect that happens when someone moves when you take a picture and their face gets all blurred.

And as far as debris from the plane goes, they did find many parts such as landing gear, wheel hubs, engine components, and yes they did find human body parts. They even found small sections of the body with American Airline markings on them. Here are some pictures of parts found:

Engine turbine:




Landing Gear:




Wheel Hubs:





The reason why more of the body wasn't found has to do with the plane being made of aluminum. Aluminum melts at 1200 degrees F. The jet fuel fires burned at over 1800 degrees, more than enough to liquefy the metal.

There are even pictures of dead bodies, or what is left of them. I'm going to refrain from posting them since they are extremely graphic, and I regret ever looking at them, but if you want to see them doing a Google search should give you all the information you need.
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^funny you mention that, however, the structural integrity of the pentagon's wall that was impacted was not compromised until 10-20minutes later when it "fell down."

Prior to it falling, the "impact" hole can be seen MUCH smaller than the plane's fuselage. Also, if you're so keen to think that the pilot maneuvered SUCH a feat, the trajectory/speed of the attack would indicate that the engines' impact would be to the right and the left of the initial impact by the fuselage, i.e. atleast 3 instances of impacts where as there is ONLY one.

The Pentagon is under surveillance 24/7/365 - Don't be so ignorant as to think there isn't some sort of surveillance around the military apex of the United States.

I'm citing empirical evidence of a crash. Civil engineers state that should an aircraft of that size come into contact with a structure such as that, there would be 50 columns that would be affected....

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^obviously these terrorists were the best pilots in the FAA since they maneuvered boeings like F-16s
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If witnesses say they saw the plane crash into the pentagon then i don't see how one didn't. I just don't understand why the government is withholding any video that would clearly show the plane crashing. What purpose would there be to withhold that?

And where are the plane parts that crashed in Pennsylvania? And how the hell did they find all the IDs of all the terrorists?

I can't imagine our government would try to orchestrate such a disaster, but why does it appear that things are being covered up or falsified?
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9/11 was orchestrated by Mexican drug lords who used the event as a diversion to import $1Billion of illegal narcotics into the United States. FAWKING BRILLIANT if you ask me!!
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