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12-09-2009, 04:47 PM | #45 | |
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Have you owned or just ridden in a car with quattro? I have owned numerous Audis...all of them except one was AWD. The help you stay out of trouble in lots of situations...snow/ice/wet pavement with leaves/gravel...but they are not the end all solution. They just help you be safe. That is why I like Audis and quattro. They make haulin around my family, and myself, more safe. I have a BMW now..and will probably get another sometime in the future. I dont disrespect Audis or their owners..or BMWs or their owners. There are lots of nice cars out there I would love to own..including Porsches. Have a nice day.
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But, could you be so kind as to explain how AWD benefits the braking distance...I am not being argumentative, but truly wish to learn more about car control
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12-09-2009, 07:52 PM | #48 |
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focus on strength....not weakness....for Audi...its the only strength...if you really wanna call it that.
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LOL. But I have to say, it's true. I have a B5 S4 as my winter car now, and today we had a good sized snow storm here in TO. Man that S4 is a blast to drive in this weather, and pulling in and out of my driveway which had about 6cm of snow was a sinch. I couldn't believe how well it handled, on stock all-seasons. My e93 is still my darling, darling angel, but in the snow it can be a little.....well just not as poised......
anyways, great pic!
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12-10-2009, 03:16 AM | #52 | |
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12-10-2009, 06:14 AM | #54 | |
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The braking comparison measured the tires' ability to provide traction during an ABS-assisted panic stop in a straight line. We drove the two Cayennes side-by-side at a speed of 30 mph, gave both drivers a braking signal at the prescribed mark and compared the distances it took them to come to a complete stop. The winter tire-equipped Cayenne stopped in an average distance of about 61 feet, while the all-season tire-equipped Cayenne took 102 feet (an additional 41 feet or about two and one-half car lengths). A 41-foot difference in stopping distance during a panic stop at 30 mph on a snow-packed road is more than enough to determine whether it's a near miss or an accident! Additionally, while the all-wheel drive Cayenne offered noticeably faster acceleration than the rear-wheel drive sedan, the winter tire-equipped BMW's 59-foot stopping distance and all-season tire-equipped 89-foot stopping distance showed that all-wheel drive didn't really offer a measurable advantage when it came to stopping. I did prior to posting and could find no objective evidence to support your opinion that AWD vehicles stop better than RWD vehicles in limited traction situations.
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you trully need to stay away from these discussions because with every new post you embarrass yourself and sound dumber and dumber. I know it is not easy to handle that every magazine lately focuses more on the competitor (read S4), especially after mommy and daddy got you the toy... But don't worry, as in the past, better days are ahead, and worse...
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take a deep breathe man.....its all good.
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why are Audi owners or Audi fan boys so freakin sensitive??? BMW outsells Audi 3 to 1....Audi will always follow...never lead.....thought you Audi fan boys would be used to that by now!
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I would of sooner applied your above response to dr325i. I think your jesting rubbed him the wrong way.
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My experience with winter braking is extensive...drove in it today I was just offering the common sense notion that braking distance in snow is affected by the tires at the contact patch, not the drivetrane. With ABS activated, I fail to understand how engine braking would benefit and shorten the stopping distance in snow.
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So that's why I talk about engine braking and it's importance, what you want in snow is the ability not to lock up, so that is when engine braking is important and more benefical in an awd car as I highlighted in the previous post it will no unsettle the chassis and with twice the effect from two axles and not one. Engine braking should be used when possible, even in a rwd car only that it's better with an awd car. |
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Wouldn't the extra weight over the front axle help stopping distances somewhat? As weight shifts forwards, the front tires would have more weight over them which should benefit traction, is this right?
Or would it be the other way around. I could be wrong, and a rearward weight bias might be better, as a forward shift in weight would provide equal contact amongst all four wheels, like a mid or rear-engined car. And one more thought, wouldn't the extra weight of an AWD system negatively impact braking regardless of how it handles the traction? I'm just throwing out ideas.
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More please, noob... (in a mean time, read who's currently in the lead...) |
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My wife and I were going skiing last year and she learned the benefits of engine braking...we were traveling at about 7 am on a clear morning on an exposed highway...it was a crisp clear cold morning and had been a little warmer the day previous....when she hit a huge sheet of black ice at about 60 mph...the SUV got a little loose...she gently lifted from the gas...never hit the brakes and kept the truck straight and let the engine coast us down...truly scarey stuff...a mile past the next entrance....another sheet of blackice...there were cars scattered everywhere...about 100 feet off the road..
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12-10-2009, 11:56 PM | #65 | |
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Not that I agree standard braking is improved with AWD, but engine braking and cornering is improved with AWD in slick conditions. |
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You make it sound like a bad thing. Is grip in all weather bad? I mean, inducing a slide like an R8 would be cool in an AWD, but there is appeal in knowing even after the tires go out, at least some traction still exists especially here in Canada.
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