[sdiver68]

Man, this laugh is on me

I had hoped GM would actually improve on the prior CTS-V with a nice interior and elimination of the wheel hop, but C&D has the regular CTS tipping the scales at over 4000 lbs. It is no wonder they will need 525-600HP...

[herbz]

what is with this trend of 600hp, 4000+ lb monsters. just give a 2900lb car 300hp and it will be just as fast. car makers these days are retarded. i'm not buying another car till this fatass weight trend starts reversing.

[TMNT]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

Man, this laugh is on me

I had hoped GM would actually improve on the prior CTS-V with a nice interior and elimination of the wheel hop, but C&D has the regular CTS tipping the scales at over 4000 lbs. It is no wonder they will need 525-600HP...

Because V8s are heavy as hell and the car is much bigger than a 3 series

[E90330iS]

Ya Motor Trend compares the CTS to the 5 series.

[omg516]

Is it seriously over 4000lbs? What on earth could make a car that size so heavy?

[Crimson92]

poorly engineered components? steel instead of aluminum? bigass v8?

i dunno

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

poorly engineered components? steel instead of aluminum? bigass v8?

i dunno

No, it's over 4000 lbs with the 300HP V6!

I don't know what it will be in CTS-V form, but that's not a good omen

[Crimson92]

bigass underpowered v8? lol

i dunno most american cars are heavy and handle like crap anyways

[omg516]

This thread didn't make any sense to me so I just googled the 2008 CTS curb weight and it says that the manual is 3509lbs and the AT is 3568lbs. Thats lighter than an e90's weight according to BMW. The car is receiving great reviews so far, supposedly its the best Cadillac sedan in 50 years. I'm sure its chassis dynamics won't match the 3 series but the entire car, i.e. gearing, steering, suspension was tuned at the nurburgring so it has to handle decently. GM did an excellent job with the c6 z06 on the ring so it can be done. Now with the ls7 under the hood that thing is sure to be a monster.

[omg516]

Maybe the car is approaching the 4000lb mark with awd? What is the 335xi's official weight?

[TMNT]

Originally Posted by omg516

This thread didn't make any sense to me so I just googled the 2008 CTS curb weight and it says that the manual is 3509lbs and the AT is 3568lbs. Thats lighter than an e90's weight according to BMW. The car is receiving great reviews so far, supposedly its the best Cadillac sedan in 50 years. I'm sure its chassis dynamics won't match the 3 series but the entire car, i.e. gearing, steering, suspension was tuned at the nurburgring so it has to handle decently. GM did an excellent job with the c6 z06 on the ring so it can be done. Now with the ls7 under the hood that thing is sure to be a monster.

Oh....I thought the OP said that the CTS-V will weigh in @ around 4,000 pounds, but looking back he said the "regular" CTS.

Yes, your right........that is not true. I believe the CTS will be an amazing car for the amount of luxury, power, and affordability. Plus it also gives me a chance to consider buying american for once! I've been wanting to do that for a long time now

[ward]

Originally Posted by TMNT

Because V8s are heavy as hell and the car is much bigger than a 3 series

the V8 in the new M3 weighs less than the I6 it replaced

[TMNT]

Originally Posted by ward

the V8 in the new M3 weighs less than the I6 it replaced

Thats because BMW is spending A LOT of money on lighter metals for the engine....something they can do because the M3 will not be cheap.

Spend that kind of money to make a V8 lighter in an average american car, and the price will sky rocket.

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by TMNT

Oh....I thought the OP said that the CTS-V will weigh in @ around 4,000 pounds, but looking back he said the "regular" CTS.

Yes, your right........that is not true. I believe the CTS will be an amazing car for the amount of luxury, power, and affordability. Plus it also gives me a chance to consider buying american for once! I've been wanting to do that for a long time now

Hey, I want to like the CTS-V to the point of only doing a 2 yr lease on my 335i to see what it and the GT-R will be, I'm just saying if the regular V6 2008 CTS weighs 4000+ lbs, what will the CTS-V weigh?

Here's the link:

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...ts.html?al=123

"Initially, it was surprising that the new Caddy is just a 10th quicker through the quarter than its big-brother STS with the same engine (but with the six-speed automatic tranny) until we plopped our CTS onto the scales: 4032 pounds, no thanks to the nearly 100-pound penalty of the optional sunroof. That’s 252 more than the outgoing model and just 68 shy of the five-inch-longer STS."

[BHairsto]

It looks pretty nice to me. The interior looks really good and I like the exterior lines. If it drives as nicely as C&D says, I would definitely buy the 6-cylinder CTS over a G35 or IS350 (the G35 does absolutely nothing for me and the IS is too small inside). The stated curb weight is getting out of hand, though, and is one reason that even the new CTS-V likely won't make me want to give up my 335i.

[Scarecrows25]

Originally Posted by BHairsto

It looks pretty nice to me. The interior looks really good and I like the exterior lines. If it drives as nicely as C&D says, I would definitely buy the 6-cylinder CTS over a G35 or IS350 (the G35 does absolutely nothing for me and the IS is too small inside). The stated curb weight is getting out of hand, though, and is one reason that even the new CTS-V likely won't make me want to give up my 335i.

Ditto -- my buddy sent me the C/D link, and my comment back to him was "too bad the damn thing weighs two tons". I think BMW is on the right track -- lighten the car first, and you don't have to worry about cramming in more motor.

[ward]

Originally Posted by TMNT

Thats because BMW is spending A LOT of money on lighter metals for the engine....something they can do because the M3 will not be cheap.

Spend that kind of money to make a V8 lighter in an average american car, and the price will sky rocket.

not really, it's mainly a cast iron block on the I6 vs aluminum on the V8

there are quite a few american vehicles already using aluminum block V8's, and I bet a decent amount of them are lighter than the M3's I6

[gtb75]

I'm not here to defend the weight of the CTS - it's definitely porky at 4000+ lbs... That being said, it is within an inch of the 5-series on pretty much every dimension, so comparing it to the 3-series (which is an entire foot shorter) really isn't fair. Unfortunately it's still a couple of hundred pounds heavier than an I6 equipped 5-series as well. Sadly, something tells me they weren't too focused on weight with the CTS. It looks like they were more worried about bang for the buck and offering a car the size of a 5-series for the price of a 3-series. Not so much an enthusiast car, but more of a mainstream option...

If GM wanted to build a lighter car, they certainly could have... Just look at my Z06 which weighs in at just over 3130 lbs and has a 505HP V8 that tips the scales at just 458 lbs. I doubt there are many 500HP+ normally aspirated production motors that come in so light

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by gtb75

I'm not here to defend the weight of the CTS - it's definitely porky at 4000+ lbs... That being said, it is within an inch of the 5-series on pretty much every dimension, so comparing it to the 3-series (which is an entire foot shorter) really isn't fair. Unfortunately it's still a couple of hundred pounds heavier than an I6 equipped 5-series as well. Sadly, something tells me they weren't too focused on weight with the CTS. It looks like they were more worried about bang for the buck and offering a car the size of a 5-series for the price of a 3-series. Not so much an enthusiast car, but more of a mainstream option...

If GM wanted to build a lighter car, they certainly could have... Just look at my Z06 which weighs in at just over 3130 lbs and has a 505HP V8 that tips the scales at just 458 lbs. I doubt there are many 500HP+ normally aspirated production motors that come in so light

I hear you, but market segment and price are often determinates of competitors. For instance, I had an Infiniti M45 Sport which always goes head-to-head with the 5 series BMW in the comparos, but is as close to the 7 as the 5 in terms of interior dimensions.

I'd love to have a 4dr, LT4 Z06

[omg516]

Do you mean LS7? LT4 is old school...

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by omg516

Do you mean LS7? LT4 is old school...

No I meant the 08 4LT interior upgrade package...the one with the hand stitched leather everywhere...

[gtb75]

You can see pics of the new 4LT interior here: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-chevrolet-corvette/

It's definitely an improvement... Only problem is you spend $8K on the 4LT package (which includes pretty much everything else) to get it... Not a problem for me (I have a 2LZ Z06), but not much choice for people who only want the upgraded interior.