Ess supercharger

Mavus · 10-27-2014, 04:26 PM

That is nice power bump! I would take lower hp with better reliability and safety margin any day over motors and xmsn turned into bits.

Folks should consider LSD and brake upgrades also. Even suspension may need an upgrade. The SC opens up a can of warms. Headers will add even more power.

Good job Roman - this a nice option for NA engines!!

sales@ESSTuning · 10-27-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Soccs

How do we make a purchase order?

You can email me to order. There is a 2- 3 week wait as we are still filling pre-orders but things are moving along.

Taskmaster · 10-27-2014, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

You can email me to order. There is a 2- 3 week wait as we are still filling pre-orders but things are moving along.

Do you need anyone to test out your N/A tunes? Otherwise nicee work - I don't think I will ever do Super Charging to this car, but it's niceo have it as an option.

What were boost related issues, if you don't mind me asking?

bimmerquick43321 · 10-27-2014, 04:53 PM

I think we all appreciate the effort done by ESS to bring forced induction in a reliable way to this platform, but as much as I enjoy driving this car, when compared to the e36's I had when I was younger, it's really crap, seriously 60whp gain from a supercharger? And that's on a 328i I guess, so probably ~50whp for a 330i.... seriously... this platform sucks being from a reliability perspective (don't tell me other wise, all of them being "known issues" or "maintenance" is not freaking normal... + all the stupid little things that break) getting 50whp from a supercharge (yes stage 1) is also freaking ridiculous.....

getting off topic, thumbs up to ESS, thumbs down for BMW

colin_e90 · 10-27-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mecbain

I think we all appreciate the effort done by ESS to bring forced induction in a reliable way to this platform, but as much as I enjoy driving this car, when compared to the e36's I had when I was younger, it's really crap, seriously 60whp gain from a supercharger? And that's on a 328i I guess, so probably ~50whp for a 330i.... seriously... this platform sucks being from a reliability perspective (don't tell me other wise, all of them being "known issues" or "maintenance" is not freaking normal... + all the stupid little things that break) getting 50whp from a supercharge (yes stage 1) is also freaking ridiculous.....

getting off topic, thumbs up to ESS, thumbs down for BMW

It's not bmw's fault actually. What it really is, is that the n54 platform was released a year after the introduction of the n52 to the e90 platform. The n54 being forced induction stock took any aftermarket interest that was in the n52 and set it all aside. It was a smart decision for companies to do such thing and also is much easier to deal with since the forced induction is already included it's all just upgraded from there where as us n52/n51 folks have to get forced induction first before we can get similar type upgrades for our cars

b-man · 10-27-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

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Originally Posted by InControl

At last. Why so little power increase? What is the reason to lower the boost of the first application from about 100 to 60hp?

We have made up to 100 whp with the kit. The problem is that the stock motor simply cannot handle that much added power and have proper safety margin. 80 whp is where we feel the car will be making as much as it should while still being very reliable.

For those asking about headers we will have software available.

Can you explain on what's causing the issue? I'm just wondering if we can get 100whp or more with other upgrades and have a somewhat reliable car

houbmw · 10-27-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by b-man

Can you explain on what's causing the issue? I'm just wondering if we can get 100whp or more with other upgrades and have a somewhat reliable car

Exactly! A good number of us n52 owners will be trying to squeeze every single hp put this platform. Will we be able to add the supercharger, headers, exhaust, intake and tune and get around 100+ hp gain? If we change the supercharger pully and make it smaller, we should be able to push more but the question is, does your research and development indicate that it is safe? Thanks Roman!!!

sales@ESSTuning · 10-27-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by b-man

Can you explain on what's causing the issue? I'm just wondering if we can get 100whp or more with other upgrades and have a somewhat reliable car

N52 is no different than any other motor. They all have their limits on how much boost they can take safely. The amount of boost needed to make 100 whp does not leave any real safety margin. We ran our test car at 100 whp for months and the data we collected showed it was boarderline reliable on 93+ octane. We feel 80 whp will be what this motor can safely handle while providing proper safety margin for long term use.

InControl · 10-27-2014, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

We have made up to 100 whp with the kit. The problem is that the stock motor simply cannot handle that much added power and have proper safety margin. 80 whp is where we feel the car will be making as much as it should while still being very reliable.

For those asking about headers we will have software available.

Not really all that surprised by the lower limits for the n52. Thank you for the honesty! I think a group buy special will work out well for ESS and the forum members.

SCMalum · 10-27-2014, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by InControl

Not really all that surprised by the lower limits for the n52. Thank you for the honesty! I think a group buy special will work out well for ESS and the forum members.

I think it would work well for my wallet - thats for sure.

SO - what do you think about a potential group buy, Roman?

Eagle1oh7 · 10-27-2014, 07:01 PM

If it's 80hp max for the 328i, a gain of 310HP is just fine. I just want to know where we sit at with torque as well.

328XIdiot · 10-27-2014, 07:31 PM

Will the s/c require a tune?

DUI Elite · 10-27-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 328XIdiot

Will the s/c require a tune?

This sn is entirely too fitting for this question.

Yes, the MAF will cry the minute it starts reading +vacuum. It will definitely require a tune.

For reliability sake, this is still fairly impressive, but that price tag lol.

With headers and an LSD, this would make a very good drivers car.

328XIdiot · 10-27-2014, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DUI Elite

This sn is entirely too fitting for this question.

Yes, the MAF will cry the minute it starts reading +vacuum. It will definitely require a tune.

For reliability sake, this is still fairly impressive, but that price tag lol.

With headers and an LSD, this would make a very good drivers car.

Coming from the DUI specialist...

houbmw · 10-27-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

N52 is no different than any other motor. They all have their limits on how much boost they can take safely. The amount of boost needed to make 100 whp does not leave any real safety margin. We ran our test car at 100 whp for months and the data we collected showed it was boarderline reliable on 93+ octane. We feel 80 whp will be what this motor can safely handle while providing proper safety margin for long term use.

Thank you for the reply and explanations. I am patiently waiting to put this on my 2007 530i with SMG transmission.

StealYourFace · 10-27-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DUI Elite

This sn is entirely too fitting for this question.

Yes, the MAF will cry the minute it starts reading +vacuum. It will definitely require a tune.

For reliability sake, this is still fairly impressive, but that price tag lol.

With headers and an LSD, this would make a very good drivers car.

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Originally Posted by 328XIdiot

Coming from the DUI specialist...

E46driver · 10-27-2014, 10:49 PM

This is great news I can't wait to see this kit in the field.

_Ryan_ · 10-28-2014, 03:35 AM

First off, for those saying to do x,y,z before questioning the scope for power- I've done it all.

@Roman, this doesn't meet expectations. This was pitched as a reliable 100whp bump for $US4995. Now it is a 'reliable' 60whp for $US4495, or a cautious 80whp for $US4995.

Can you please clarify a couple of things...

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

We have made up to 100 whp with the kit. The problem is that the stock motor simply cannot handle that much added power and have proper safety margin. 80 whp is where we feel the car will be making as much as it should while still being very reliable.

Why? What is your concern? Structural integrity of the engine? Temp? What is your definition of 'reliable'?

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

N52 is no different than any other motor. They all have their limits on how much boost they can take safely. The amount of boost needed to make 100 whp does not leave any real safety margin. We ran our test car at 100 whp for months and the data we collected showed it was boarderline reliable on 93+ octane. We feel 80 whp will be what this motor can safely handle while providing proper safety margin for long term use.

What was this data? Did you use a FMIC? Oil cooler? Removed intake/exhaust restrictions?

Short of reliability testing showing that the studs were being torn out of the block due to the head lifting on more than 6.9999psi, I'm questioning what your data is and what checks you performed on this experiment prior to claiming a 100whp gain.

Ryan.

maris7 · 10-28-2014, 06:59 AM

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if you place it in n43 what will be done;

TheSt|G · 10-28-2014, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

We have made up to 100 whp with the kit. The problem is that the stock motor simply cannot handle that much added power and have proper safety margin. 80 whp is where we feel the car will be making as much as it should while still being very reliable.

For those asking about headers we will have software available.

What part was failing at 100whp? Just curious purely to know the weak link in the engine.

houbmw · 10-28-2014, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hot330i

time to raid the retirement fund!!!
80 hp supercharged + 90 hp NOS, I'm ready to blow my N52

Your NOS thread was impressive. How has it been holding up?

Tom Droze · 10-28-2014, 09:09 AM

I suppose that old adage does hold true... "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time."

Thank you Roman for all the hard work in making this forced induction kit available, safe, and reliable.

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Tom Droze Major 413 Rep 1,286 Posts Drives: 2012 BMW 328i (e92) Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona iTrader: (0)	I suppose that old adage does hold true... "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time." Thank you Roman for all the hard work in making this forced induction kit available, safe, and reliable.
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