[oliver@wheeladdicts.com]

Pagani, CGT, Scuderia, and the new GTO. The LFA doesn't do the trick for me.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong1989

Hmm I beg to differ, Porshce makes some nice, fun, and powerful engine but they are far from being a top tier engine maker with Ferrari/Honda/BMW.

Ferrari have all sorts of F1 legacy behind them, and their road cars have won countless awards with their proven technologies. Anyone who doubts the abilities of Ferrari to make engine that are inferior to almost any other maker out there is, I dare to say it, ignorant.

Honda have been proven in F1 as well. They also have engine monopoly in INDY, and they built ridiculous engines for Super GT, and Formula Nippon. They are also one of the most technologically advance engine maker who arguably revolutionized high performance engines. True that Honda is slacking off lately, but remember the time when NSX came out, any Porsche and Ferrari at the time were beaten soundly. Not to mention Honda powered cars, F1 cars, GT cars all have won many times over. Lastly, McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray choose to ask Honda initially for an engine... Honda can build engines period, they are along side Ferrari more than Porsche or most other makers. Is a shame that the best of them is now in the past. I can see why people don't know about Honda because all you see is Civics and Accords on the street. Also, we never get any Type R over here as well as their racing program to show off their technologies. Asia on the other hand, the red Honda Type R badge is as high performing as a BMW M power badge and its well deserved.

BMW, well we as BMW drivers should know better that they built some of the greatest engines... McLaren F1 6.1L V12, need I say more?

Porsche? Well they run in Lemans GT1 back then but got dominated by McLaren in 95, by Mercedes later on. Their road cars are powerful, but when the NSX came out, they cant even compare. The only reason you can say Porsche is superior right now is because Honda haven't made another NSX yet. Look what happen when Nissan throws its resource together and do to the 911. I am sorry but Porsches are great cars make no mistake, but don't be fooled into thinking they are the greatest cars ever, because the are not even close... I am sure other people here who knows cars will educate you on that.

+1

But now let us get back to topic of sound. Honda NSV-010 sounds very nice, it could maybe sound even better, but now IMHO Lexus is Number 1. The Honda is not yet out, but when it will be, it will smoke all Porsches and sound surely better.

[Vudoo4u2]

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong1989

Hmm I beg to differ, Porshce makes some nice, fun, and powerful engine but they are far from being a top tier engine maker with Ferrari/Honda/BMW.

Ferrari have all sorts of F1 legacy behind them, and their road cars have won countless awards with their proven technologies. Anyone who doubts the abilities of Ferrari to make engine that are inferior to almost any other maker out there is, I dare to say it, ignorant.

Honda have been proven in F1 as well. They also have engine monopoly in INDY, and they built ridiculous engines for Super GT, and Formula Nippon. They are also one of the most technologically advance engine maker who arguably revolutionized high performance engines. True that Honda is slacking off lately, but remember the time when NSX came out, any Porsche and Ferrari at the time were beaten soundly. Not to mention Honda powered cars, F1 cars, GT cars all have won many times over. Lastly, McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray choose to ask Honda initially for an engine... Honda can build engines period, they are along side Ferrari more than Porsche or most other makers. Is a shame that the best of them is now in the past. I can see why people don't know about Honda because all you see is Civics and Accords on the street. Also, we never get any Type R over here as well as their racing program to show off their technologies. Asia on the other hand, the red Honda Type R badge is as high performing as a BMW M power badge and its well deserved.

BMW, well we as BMW drivers should know better that they built some of the greatest engines... McLaren F1 6.1L V12, need I say more?

Porsche? Well they run in Lemans GT1 back then but got dominated by McLaren in 95, by Mercedes later on. Their road cars are powerful, but when the NSX came out, they cant even compare. The only reason you can say Porsche is superior right now is because Honda haven't made another NSX yet. Look what happen when Nissan throws its resource together and do to the 911. I am sorry but Porsches are great cars make no mistake, but don't be fooled into thinking they are the greatest cars ever, because the are not even close... I am sure other people here who knows cars will educate you on that.

no i agree with you, i think perhaps you misread my one sentence. i was saying that porsche is not in the same league as honda/bmw/ferrari (as in...a class or two below honda/bmw/ferrari)...we 100% are in agreement

but as levi has so nicely put it...back OT I go !

[b0bab0i]

Honda already said they weren't releasing the hsv as a production car. So Honda still hasn't released a production car with a v8, to my knowlege.

The Lexus LF-A engine was codeveloped by toyota and yamaha.

Yamaha had experience developing f1 engines in the 80s ans 90s

[Vudoo4u2]

Originally Posted by shift@red

Do you remember that Le Mans V10 in the Carrera GT? Well its without question one of the best engines ever made.
If bmw and ferrari were so good, why cant they seem to beat Porsche in ALMS GT2 (where Porsche has won 2 years running)? Oh, and Porsche is still doing it with a Flat 6 while everyone else is using v8s.
What about the RS spyder? not your avg race car or engine wither that dominated LMP2 in ALMS.
Porsche makes some of the best engines and cars ever built, period. They are superior because they build superior cars...surely nothing honda or bmw have or will build will come anywhere near close. Nsx could never compare to a GT3/RS. Then again, few cars can.

Nsx could never compare?? Do you realize the nsx was designed and released in 1992? And it still competes!

Also, Honda has a strong presence in ALMS under the Acura name. Perhaps you've seen their winning LMP1 class car?

Or maybe it's that 9/10 cars in Indy have Honda engines....

Then again, Honda and acura have a far quieter line of pedestrian cars than Porsche, perhaps that's where your view comes from. It's a shame Honda tends to leave it's technological masterpieces on the track, and only push out watered down versions of what they are capable of to the general public. In that I can say, Porsche builds more entertaining everyday cars.

/rant (for real ha)

[Chenry135]

Well im unsubscribing to this thread cause it has turned into which manufacturer makes a better engine/ is better at racing...

[Vudoo4u2]

Originally Posted by Chenry135

Well im unsubscribing to this thread cause it has turned into which manufacturer makes a better engine/ is better at racing...

I'll take the blame for that turn of events

Back to car exhaust clips.....

high powered rc car....

[Sylon]

Here you go guys, I uploaded this earlier. Not siding with any car, just posting it so everyone can enjoy the awesome.

[JHFW89225]

Originally Posted by shift@red

Do you remember that Le Mans V10 in the Carrera GT? Well its without question one of the best engines ever made.
If bmw and ferrari were so good, why cant they seem to beat Porsche in ALMS GT2 (where Porsche has won 2 years running)? Oh, and Porsche is still doing it with a Flat 6 while everyone else is using v8s.
What about the RS spyder? not your avg race car or engine wither that dominated LMP2 in ALMS.
Porsche makes some of the best engines and cars ever built, period. They are superior because they build superior cars...surely nothing honda or bmw have or will build will come anywhere near close. Nsx could never compare to a GT3/RS. Then again, few cars can.

Porsche is overrated period, when NSX came out in 1991, no Porsche could touch it. Its been 20 years already, I dearly hope a GT3/RS can demolish a NSX. In ALMS, I am sorry but Corvette is the king. The Porsche might have gotten lucky and won last years GT2 but its obvious the Vettes is the superior platform, as well as the F430 not to mention the Vettes won 8 years in a roll in GT1. BMW and Porsche road cars are like apples to oranges so no point making a direct comparison. If you want to compare engine, I think the F50's engine that was originally meant for GT1 is just as good if not superior. It also came out ages ahead. Matter of fact is Porsche is good but not that good. As for road cars, especially in todays day and age, think R8 V10, GT-R, ZR-1, LP570, Viper ACR. Not much Porsche road cars can beat them not to mention there are even greater cars above these.

In the world of Motorsport F1 is the epitome and Porsche never even made it into F1. In everything else they run in, other company have at one time or another done better. GT1 (Mercedes, Mclaren, Toyota, Mazda) LMP1 (Acura, Audi) GT2 (Corvette, Ferrari) GT300 (Shiden, Garaiya ASL, RX7, Ferrari, Lambo) GT500 (NSX,SC430,R35) Make sense if you think Honda is nothing since they only came out to prove themselves once, but their racing program and engine making history is arguably one of the best in the world. I know, engine preference is sometimes very much a personal preference thing, but I think Ferrari/Honda engines win my heart more than any Porsche can ever do.

Its just not the same, the Porsche are very good, but they aren't the be all and end all marque period. As for racing heritages, other company could win, but none do so as consistently as Porsche, but that doesn't mean they can't. They all at one time or another move on after winning... Porsche does have its strong point as a company overall though, they tend to focus and perfect on one thing no matter the time it takes. They perfected the RR platform despite being an inherent flawed platform and in racing they keep going at it year after year, and that is dedication I can respect.

[JHFW89225]

Originally Posted by shift@red

I dont agree at all with you. The NSX could barely run with a [/B]base 996 911 C2[/B] in the early 2000's, let alone a 911 turbo or a 996 GT3 a couple years later. Lap times were close between Porsche's ENTRY level 911 and the nsx, but go upstream in the 911 line and the nsx didnt have a snowballs chance in hell.

Here is a R&T article from back in the day between the 911 C2 and NSX. Lap times were better in the 911 done with an enthusiast drive, a club race, and a pro.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...g-and-matching

By the way, Porsche has won the GT2 class 2 years running, so corvette isnt king now. Porsche is.
"In the USA, 911 GT3 based race cars have collected 148 GT/GT2 victories between the American Le Mans Series and Grand-Am sports car racing series, far more than any other manufacture since the ALMS began in 1999 and Grand-Am in 2000."
They are one of the best whether you want to admit it or not.

That proves my point, the NSX was so groundbreaking even after the 964, 993 and 996 they still compared it to the NSX. Mind you the NSX came out at a time when Porsche made the 964, Ferrari made the 348, Lambo made the Countach. Since then, the Porsche moved on 3 generations and the Ferrari as well...

[graider]

Originally Posted by shift@red

I dont agree at all with you. The NSX could barely run with a [/B]base 996 911 C2[/B] in the early 2000's, let alone a 911 turbo or a 996 GT3 a couple years later. Lap times were close between Porsche's ENTRY level 911 and the nsx, but go upstream in the 911 line and the nsx didnt have a snowballs chance in hell.

Here is a R&T article from back in the day between the 911 C2 and NSX. Lap times were better in the 911 done with an enthusiast drive, a club race, and a pro.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...g-and-matching

By the way, Porsche has won the GT2 class 2 years running, so corvette isnt king now. Porsche is.
"In the USA, 911 GT3 based race cars have collected 148 GT/GT2 victories between the American Le Mans Series and Grand-Am sports car racing series, far more than any other manufacture since the ALMS began in 1999 and Grand-Am in 2000."
They are one of the best whether you want to admit it or not.

i though nsx came out in 1991. what did porsche has at the time to compete with the nsx?

corvette and bmw was just warming up for last year season, let see if porsche can still win this year with bmw/corvette in full force. anyone know who wont the first few rounds of alms this year?

[gonzo]

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[94JZA80]

Originally Posted by graider

i though nsx came out in 1991. what did porsche has at the time to compete with the nsx?

the 964, which ended production in 1993. the 993 was produced from 93-98, and the 996 was produced from 98-05.

[graider]

Originally Posted by shift@red

Yes, Porsche has won I believe 2 of the first 2 races and came in 2nd or 3rd in the other. They are currently in 1st place.

ah damn, ok season still long right. let see how it goes down this year.

[graider]

Originally Posted by 94JZA80

the 964, which ended production in 1993. the 993 was produced from 93-98, and the 996 was produced from 98-05.

how does 964 compare to NSX at the time performance wise?

[94JZA80]

actually according to that link, the 964 is pretty well matched to the NSX. 0-60mph time is mid 5-sec. for both cars, 1/4 mile is mid 13's for both cars, etc. but trying to compare cars on paper or on Wiki is a joke anyways. its is when the NSX is in transition that its performance shines in comparison to the 964. any car can accelerate fast, decelerate fast, hold high lateral G's, etc. but such a car might not transition from hard acceleration to hard braking very well, or from a left turn to a right turn (and possibly back again) all that well. but Porsche improved on those performance aspects with the 993, and eclipsed that of the NSX when the 996 debuted.

[07BSM328]

I love this thread!

MORE ENGINE CLIPS PLEASE

[Memphis1]

[SilverII]

sounds like a civil F1

[adrian1480]

Originally Posted by SilverII

sounds like a civil F1

[AW335TT]

gottah admit this m6 is fkn screaminggg

[Inspired]

^ still not as nice as lf