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BMW Z2 Roadster Under Consideration, on FWD Platform
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01-13-2013, 04:25 AM | #67 |
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Makes me sad thinking of the potential this car could have with RWD, now wasted on FWD. Why dont bmw just buy Opel? Could probably Get it cheap now. Then they can sell all the FWDs they want, and really give vw, kia, Renault and all the others a run for the money. Its german based , have many loyal consumers that are sick of GM, and have a motivated workforce that will be a perfect match for bmw.
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01-13-2013, 07:06 AM | #68 | |
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I guess everyone at BMW that worked there 30 years ago must have died. A FWD BMW is laughible. Oh but wait, there is the X6M too. We already have a lot of roomy, great front wheel drive cars on the market from our friends in Asia (can you spell reliability?). So maybe the Chevy Citation wasn't such a bad idea after all. BMW, thanks, but No Thanks... |
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01-13-2013, 08:14 AM | #69 |
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No, what a shame to BMW! FWD will never be as fun to drive as RWD!
Also the price will not be so low vs the other fwd cars so I don't see the point of this concept! If Toyota/Subaru released an awesome RWD car for enthusiasts, why BMW would take the opposite way?! ![]() |
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01-13-2013, 08:17 AM | #70 | |
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01-13-2013, 08:53 AM | #71 | |
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Given the volatile markets and demand for specific vehicles it is more a priority to focus on what the market demands and in the case of the global market it is premium compact cars and more SAV models of all segments. Due to the advent of extensive architecture development and modular sharing these become cost effective to produce they also make money which in BMW's case is important to keep the company independent. In the luxury market we have to look at the premium sedan which is now outsold by the premium SAV , whilst premium coupes are also declining in favour of more flexible four door premium coupes , yet the ultra-luxury segment of limousines and coupe models are thriving that is why it makes more sense to have a RR coupe rather than a new BMW coupe 2dr flagship. The BMW 6er is the modern equivalent of the E31 BMW 850i. There will be a BMW sports car but it is not a priority at this time , there are many aspects to make it work cost effectively for a company like BMW but these will not come into effect until 2015. You might argue that companies are doing this already with CFRP and yes you will be right but not at the cost BMW will be able to do by 2015. Because of serious investment into in-house production. Last year alone in Europe premium compact cars decimated mainstream volume manufacturers. Customers are shown in volatile economic situations to downsize without sacrificing luxury or big-car features. The new compact BMW class will take advantage of this as the MINI has already done. It will also extend the branch of first time BMW ownership which is the goal of any product to entice would-be customers to their brand.
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01-13-2013, 09:09 AM | #72 |
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OMG people, again?!?!
FWD BMW's are coming, get over it! Everyone that is bitching about this should go drive a Mini Cooper S around an Auto-X track. Once this task is completed, you will most likely STFU about it... BMW = Mini Mini = FWD Mini = Fantastic Therefore a FWD BMW will be Fantastic If your not in the market for one, then don't even look at them, or waste your time complaining about them, its going to happen, they will sell and there is nothing you can do about it...
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01-13-2013, 09:18 AM | #73 | |
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01-13-2013, 09:35 AM | #75 |
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I'm pretty sure the FWD Z car won't be sold in the USA, so half the people in this thread can just chill out anyway.
I'm no fan of FWD personally, but the Mini is very good to drive and it's weird how much it still feels like a BMW to drive. I think it's also true that a large proportion of the general population will be able to drive a FWD closer to it's limits than a RWD, and therefore have more fun, which (apart from the sales race) is the name of the game. On balance I'm okay with a small FWD roadster from BMW, however, if a small affordable RWD roadster, and a fire-breathing large M roadster (to compliment the M3 GTS powered Z4 GT3 race car), remain absent from the range, then I'll agree BMW's priorities are being skewed to much by the sales race. Audi's been flogging its FWD TT for years now. People on here that say a FWD BMW roadster wouldn't sell need to open the eyes and look around. |
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01-13-2013, 11:19 AM | #77 | ||
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I agree with you completely. Although I understand (and support) that BMW is doing this in order to survive, the BMW brand should remain EXCLUSIVE. I'd like the idea of a fresh, hot, but affordable "exotic" new British car, the way Mini/Fiat was when it came back, and the way Alfa Romeo will be when it comes Stateside. I think the American public (and the world at large) would react quite well to Austin-Haley/Triumph/Rover's return, but well engineered, reliable and with true BMW driving dynamics. That way BMW stays exclusive, but is able to retain their independence and make tons of money. Think about it, Cadillac has Chevy, Audi has Volkswagen, Lexus has Toyota, but BMW only has Mini, which can only be stretched so far. BMW AG needs a "common" brand like that to boost its sales, keep core enthusiasts loyal, and stop them from being bought out or going bankrupt. |
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01-13-2013, 11:27 AM | #78 |
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We will very soon see a FWD 3- series. If it is ok to FWD a roadster certainly a common sedan will qualify. Maybe bmw will get rid of 50 50 weight distributions too, who needs that...
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01-13-2013, 12:51 PM | #81 | |
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It's almost beyond logic why we do shell out as much money as we do for the lower-end premium offerings over here, given the value for money offered by the more mainstream manufacturers... so long as whatever product BMW slap their badge on is premium in at least more than it's price point, I don't think this trend will ever go away. |
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![]() Same goes for Mercedes. And now even Maserati is going the sales direction. |
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01-13-2013, 01:15 PM | #83 |
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I love this topic!! BMW you will have to face it you are not building the ultimate driving machine anymore. As a 1m owner I have one of the best driver focus car you have been building recently. I was looking or a f30 as a good daily driver I wasn't expecting it to be as good as my 1m but I never imagine that it could be that bad. In Canada a 320i is 11000$ above a accord sport price and there is no way to justify it. Greenpeace-frendly n20 sound worst than honda's 4cyl it doesn't drive better And it is probably not as reliable. So bmw until you start building the ultimate driving machine again(which doesn't seem to be in a near future) I will probably looks somewhere else for next car.
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01-13-2013, 01:20 PM | #84 | |
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I went from a TT to my Z4 not because of the handling--in fact, theTT felt lighter on its feet--but for BMW's superior suspension and engine. When I had the FWD TT, I never had an issue in the snow even with all-season tires. I think it's funny when people think they know what other consumers should buy with their money. Though I'm enthusiast, most of my friends and family just want good looking, reliable, and luxurious cars. I guess that's why most of them drive Lexuses. |
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What do you expect out of the Z2? 550hp? 130inch wheelbase? lol I think them saying FWD was the first indication to me that it would have (at max) about the same power as a JCW Mini... It will probably be about the same (if not exactly the same) wheelbase too... I'm pretty sure they are planning to build these cars off of the same platform...
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01-13-2013, 03:09 PM | #87 |
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I think it's funny Lexuses now handle better than BMWs. Clientel swap?
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01-13-2013, 03:15 PM | #88 |
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Everyone in this discussion thread is overlooking Obama's new fuel economy regulations coming to the US, BMW's largest market. They will drastically impact the cars available on the market whether we like it or not.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Pre...ency+Standards |
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