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      08-08-2008, 07:44 AM   #23
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      08-08-2008, 08:22 AM   #24
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I call bs
+1 JD Power has so many reports that are all over the map, so everyone can feel good about what they bought -- more importantly, so every manufacturer will pay them to quote one of their surveys. IMO, this makes JD Power surveys next to worthless.

FWIW, I have both an 06 BMW and an 06 Honda, each bought new. The BMW has been more reliable. YMMV.
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      08-08-2008, 09:09 AM   #25
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how come jaguar came in the top 10

they are the most unreliable cars ever!
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      08-08-2008, 11:47 AM   #26
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I don't know how these ratings are filled... but I've had an 92 SC400 that was nearly flawless until about 200K miles; a 735i that was always blowing hot air and barely starting sometimes; a MB 300E that would shut down randomly (once in the fast lane on the freeway I might add)... and my 350Z which has been solid even with all the junk I put on it. Nissan isn't even top 10... but hopefully my new 335 will reflect it's rank.
Huh? you mean JD power didn't call you directly and build this graph off your car experience?
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      08-08-2008, 11:53 AM   #27
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lmao. domestic and reliability? i dont think so hahaha
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      08-08-2008, 12:04 PM   #28
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Wasn't Porsche number 1 before?
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      08-08-2008, 12:09 PM   #29
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At least BMW beat out Honda.
Who care about being better than Honda. Lincoln was the one to go after
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      08-08-2008, 12:10 PM   #30
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Wasn't Porsche number 1 before?
porsche = vw..........i don't think so
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      08-08-2008, 12:24 PM   #31
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Here is the chart...




Am I reading this graph correctly that Lexus come out #1 for having only 120 problems per 100 cars! This can't be right
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      08-08-2008, 12:33 PM   #32
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I do agree with one thing on that chart, which is Land Rover coming in dead last. Those things are (very, very good looking) pieces of crap.
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      08-08-2008, 01:02 PM   #33
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Wrong way to compare vehicles... problems per 100 vehicles??? Whats that? JD should compare problems per N vehicles per year..and then average that!! Then it may be a better rating IMO

I own a honda too.. never did anything other than regular maintenence.
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      08-08-2008, 01:09 PM   #34
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I can't find the article, but that 'reliability' study used customer surveys, and all problems are weighted equally. So if someone says "my transmission failed" it counts the same as if someone said "my tires are too loud"

In fact, the #1 "problem" cited was wind noise, followed by road noise. I could imagine that many of the "problems" reported for BMW are by customers who don't understand that performance tires with a stiff sidewall are noisy and harsh over bumps.

I personally find this to be a very flawed way to measure vehicle reliability, and the only utility of this study is marketing gimmick for the winners.

I recommend that users looking for insight into mechanical breakdown frequency should try pricing mechanical breakdown insurance for comparable models and by looking at manufacturer warranty reserves
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The big problem with this study is that it cannot take owner characteristics into account. The blue-hairs (oldsters) drive Mercury, Cadillac, Buick, Jaguar. A higher % of BMW owners are maniacs like us, hence the lower reliability.

The CR data on reported problem areas is a more useful dataset, IMO.
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Wow, this study definitely needs be to taken with a grain of salt. I"m surprised Honda is so low and I though Infiniti was better than that. Oh well.
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porsche = vw..........i don't think so
The only porsche that shares anything with vw is the suv. They definately are not =.

My P-car is 17 years old and runs and looks like a champ.
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Although it should be better than 7, these ratings are kinda skewed IMO. The electronics of a BMW are far more complex and integrated than a Buick or Mercury.
yeah...no.
Maybe bmw shouldn't release stuff with out more extensive testing, then it wouldn't be 7th.
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Based on mine, I would rate them last, but still love every minute of my car!
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It's a surprise that Mercedes didn't make the list.... , but their SUVs are horrendous when it comes to reliability.
That's because Chrysler built them!
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