[O-cha]

Keep in mind f1 isn't really that technically advanced. A freaking n52 motor is more technically advanced then an f1 engine. F1 engines just rev really high and have advanced metallurgy. Beyond that there really isn't much technology in them and they are VERY basic engine.

[KingOfJericho]

I disagree with literally everything you just said...

[HondaGoneRogue]

LOL

[Zoli007]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Keep in mind f1 isn't really that technically advanced. A freaking n52 motor is more technically advanced then an f1 engine. F1 engines just rev really high and have advanced metallurgy. Beyond that there really isn't much technology in them and they are VERY basic engine.

Of course there is nothing advanced about a 2.4l V8 producing around 800 HP and revving reliably to 18k RPM. Quite basic really, it just spins fast, no biggie.

And they dont have advanced metallurgy, exotic materials have been banned from the blocks for quite a few years now. Im not even going to address your comment on how F1 as a whole is not advanced.

[BrokenVert]

Reliably is a subjective term. It only lasts for about 12 hours but has a fast metabolism so it's ok

[JCtx]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Reliably is a subjective term. It only lasts for about 12 hours but has a fast metabolism so it's ok

It lasts what it has to last. If rules only allowed 4 engines rather that 8, they'd last twice as long... but wouldn't rev as high. You could build an F1 engine that'd last the entire season, but you'd be dead last every time . That's the challenge of pushing the envelope, and trying to extract that last mph advantage any way you can. But if you cross the limit, game's over. Exciting stuff .

And F1 is the premier racing series, whether you like it or not. No other car corners as fast, revs as high, accelerates as fast, or relies on aerodynamics as much. That's why it's the most technologically advanced, since it's dealing with higher limits than the other series. But yes, others are close for different reasons.

[BrokenVert]

I love F1 but it just a sprint race and I'm still under the belief that it takes just as much if not more hardcore tech and aerodynamics to make the endurance wonders that are Le mans prototype cars.

Its like saying whose the better runner a guy who runs the 100 m dash or the guy who runs a marathon. Both are great athletes but they're built for different purposes

I'm not denying the advanced design of F1 cars but you seem to be denying just how high tech le mans cars are

[KingOfJericho]

I haven't seen anyone deny that ALMS cars are high tech...

That being said... I don't have 24 hours to sit and watch a race. F1 is the perfect duration and I absolutely love the qualifying aspect as well. It's a man version of a soap opera also. Lots of drama and great characters. I couldn't name one ALMS driver.

[EmmDrei]

Imho there is no clear cut answer.

As far as engine technology and advanced electronics go: F1.
As far as aerodynamics go: imho the LMP1 and F1 are even.
As far as drive-train technology goes: WRC.

[JB135MDCT]

24hr cars are not designed to maximum specs, F1 cars are (or used to be before the rules changed). Design something to work at the peak limits and close to failure is significantly more dificult to design something within limts at some tolerance that will last longer.

[MontegoblueE92]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Le mans prototypes pull over 3.5 G and produce over 700hp in a V12 that revs up to 8000 rpm in the Aston. The diesels make something like 800lbft and rev to 5k.

And F1 cars max at 5 Gs and rev to 18000, and that's with a limited motor.

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Lmp is a class in alms which run the same cars as Le mans series ^in Europe and the best from those series race at Le mans

I know what LMP is, but you mentioned the interchange between street legal and ALMS cars, which could only mean you're talking about the GT classes.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by MontegoblueE92

I know what LMP is, but you mentioned the interchange between street legal and ALMS cars, which could only mean you're talking about the GT classes.

I cited the Aston Lola, an LMP1, which is powered by the same V12 thats in the DBS.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

That being said... I don't have 24 hours to sit and watch a race. F1 is the perfect duration and I absolutely love the qualifying aspect as well. It's a man version of a soap opera also. Lots of drama and great characters. I couldn't name one ALMS driver.

What does that have to do with car tech?

Tom Kristensen, hes one of the best drivers in the world and has won le mans 8 times. Thats the most le mans by any driver in history and he also runs in DTM

Le mans also has a few of the greatest on track rivalries in the world. Peugeot vs Audi ring a bell?

Ford sticking it to Ferrari in the 60s? The Porsche dominance in the 80s? The Audi dynasty thats just coming to a close now? Its great racing with quite a bit of drama.



And the male soap opera is wrestling

[M3_CSL_E92]

F1 is far and beyond anything else in terms of new technology whatever that might be.

Does anyone recognise that blue thing from another motorsport?


And KERS which porsche now has begun to race with and some cars that are coming with it too.

F1 do something, the rest follows.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

If that was the objective in their race then they would do that but it's not. They're meant to run 3ish races and be tossed. Why? Because they're at the pinnacle of performance which means they are on the razors edge of failure.

THIS

[KingOfJericho]

I think the poll numbers speak for themselves...

[Chenry135]

^ this! It's obvious... You cant just say something is more advanced because you like the history of the racing...

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I'm glad you brought that name up. Ferrari, a team that only sells cars to support their racing endeavors and is synonymous with auto racing and technology, only races in F1.

That is the case now with Scuderia Ferrari. SF originally ran at Le Mans and dominated in the 40s and 50s. But you are also completely ignoring the existence of the factory backed Ferrari Team, Risi Competizione which runs in LMS. True tho that Ferrari no longer runs at the highest level in Le Mans. They were forced out by the likes of Porsche in the 80s and actually didnt run at Le Mans one year because theyre car couldnt run the distance even tho it was the fastest car in the series and won every other race that year.

Theyve been running a GT1 car for several years through Risi Competizione whose been the Ferrari backed team for years.

Do you know how Enzo Ferrari became famous? He raced Alfa Romeos at Le mans. Ferrari has a long and rich history in Le Mans racing. Theyve won several times.

[Poleposition]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Keep in mind f1 isn't really that technically advanced. A freaking n52 motor is more technically advanced then an f1 engine. F1 engines just rev really high and have advanced metallurgy. Beyond that there really isn't much technology in them and they are VERY basic engine.

This may be the most idiotic post Ive ever read in a racing forum. You're in this forum presumably because you know something about racing. These comments are absurd. You either need to tell us you were just kidding and trying to stir shit or just apologize for having a brain fart.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by Chenry135

You cant just say something is more advanced because you like the history of the racing...

Le mans racing is more advanced because its more open to design creativity. I mean before the R10 who wouldve thought that a diesel powered car would create a dynasty in motor racing? Thats advancement that can been seen everywhere diesel cars are running and its created a broader impact on society. Its that change in thinking that makes LMS prototypes more advanced. They make ideas other than lets make a high revving petrol car faster than 23 other nearly identical high revving petrol powered cars. I think thats mostly the FIAs fault but the fact of the matter is that LMS is has more freedom to push the envelope in different directions and come up with new ideas rather than making more advanced versions of the same car for the last 50 years as F1 has.

[Poleposition]

You dont know this firsthand. How many hours of R&D do you think a top F1 team puts into their cars? I say more than an ALMS team.

[KingOfJericho]

You actually have to dial back the technological innovation to enhance reliability so I think you're starting to argue against your own point. This is why a Toyota Camry runs to 300k without issue and a 335i doesn't.