[RM7]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/44330/...n-the-atlantic

Cargo Ship Full of Porsches and VWs Is On Fire and Adrift in the Atlantic

[Beemerke]

Gobsmacked!
Great the crew made it out alive and well but damn..

[Patton250]

What happened to the ship? Did I miss it? Did it sink? The crew is generally trained in putting fires out since fire and flooding are the two major enemies of any ship.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Patton250

What happened to the ship? Did I miss it? Did it sink? The crew is generally trained in putting fires out since fire and flooding are the two major enemies of any ship.

And yet fires still sink ships These cars get packed in there and it's not inconceivable that things could run away pretty fast.

[Red Bread]

Ha, there goes my Golf R.

[omasou]

That may negatively impact the new car smell

[Killed by Death]

Probably started by one of those damn electric cars

[erickonphoenix]

I think if they abandoned the vessel it’s finders keepers according to international maritime law. Surely there’s a lawyer or two on bimmerpost that can confirm or deny this?.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by RM7

And yet fires still sink ships These cars get packed in there and it's not inconceivable that things could run away pretty fast.

I’m sure the ships have halon deployment systems. One of the main tactics for stopping fires on ships is depriving the fire of oxygen one of the three things it needs to survive. That system must’ve failed. At least on one level. It’s inconceivable that on a ship of today fire can get out-of-control to the point of sinking it. There’s no way an accidental fire could bring down a navy vessel. At least not our navy. I’ll be interested to read the final report of how it started, why they were unable to contain it and most importantly the final amount of damage it did.

[Chick Webb]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I’m sure the ships have halon deployment systems.

Likely, but if it was an EV battery runaway, that might not be enough to stop it. Doesn't work on planes, apparently.

Plane safety-systems are confirmed to not stop lithium-ion battery fires

[G MONEY]

Maybe Visconti tuned one? Lol😉😂🤣🔥🔥

[BeEmVe]

Some more details: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/tech/...ars/index.html

Getting a tow ...

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by BeEmVe

Some more details: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/tech/...ars/index.html

Getting a tow ...

They cant tow it in as the port there can't handle that ship size.

My Porsche Dealer in Houston called me and let me know my 992 Turbo S wasn't involved since it's an April delivery vehicle, but a Porsche Dealer in Austin lost 3 GT3s and 2 Turbo S.

1100 Porsches lost is a lot and nearly 200 Bentleys.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

They cant tow it in as the port there can't handle that ship size.

My Porsche Dealer in Houston called me and let me know my 992 Turbo S wasn't involved since it's an April delivery vehicle, but a Porsche Dealer in Austin lost 3 GT3s and 2 Turbo S.

1100 Porsches lost is a lot and nearly 200 Bentleys.

Yeah, Austin seems to have been hit hard. Lots of Porsches, my Golf R, I'm having a harder time with that.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I’m sure the ships have halon deployment systems. One of the main tactics for stopping fires on ships is depriving the fire of oxygen one of the three things it needs to survive. That system must’ve failed. At least on one level. It’s inconceivable that on a ship of today fire can get out-of-control to the point of sinking it. There’s no way an accidental fire could bring down a navy vessel. At least not our navy. I’ll be interested to read the final report of how it started, why they were unable to contain it and most importantly the final amount of damage it did.

The thing is, never say never. I'm in the safety business and something you never thought of always finds a way to manifest and totally screw up the day. Nothing is really an "accident" if we can get to the cause and identify it. It may not be intentional, but fires don't just happen by themselves and that thing you didn't plan for or think of can definitely happen. Definitely possible the halon could have failed, but a bunch of burning plastic, interiors, fuel in gas tanks, even if minimal, and whatever else, if enough vehicles were affected, it'd be unstoppable. It can be as simple as being cut-off from being able to open a valve or fight the fire from the location, and again if not contained quickly, it's at the point where it's not stopping.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Chick Webb

Likely, but if it was an EV battery runaway, that might not be enough to stop it. Doesn't work on planes, apparently.

Plane safety-systems are confirmed to not stop lithium-ion battery fires

The "approved" method for keeping an Li Ion battery from running away on an plane is keeping it cool with liquid water or similar cooling fluid. That's about all you can do. The real danger is damaged cells, from impacts, like someone crushing their i-pad or laptop in the seat, then there's a thermal runaway situation and one cell running away usually leads to other cells doing the same. If you have one of those fire-proof containers actually rated to keep in the molten metal, that can be a good bet, but isolating the battery without such a fire-proof container, as in "trying to starve it of air", increases the thermal runaway and makes it worse. And then when one cell goes...it makes the others go too.

There is a LOT of moving around with heavy equipment for this kind of transport. I've seen some videos on it and it's pretty amazing to watch, they will re-configure decks for the height of the cars, pack as many as possible in, take on heavy-equipment and other construction stuff in addition to cars for dealers, all sorts of stuff. There are a LOT of potential sources here, ICE car, EV car, those are just a few. I'm not sure if I can find the video, but it's really interesting to watch, might have been on amazon or something.

[RM7]

Here it is:

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by RM7

The thing is, never say never. I'm in the safety business and something you never thought of always finds a way to manifest and totally screw up the day. Nothing is really an "accident" if we can get to the cause and identify it. It may not be intentional, but fires don't just happen by themselves and that thing you didn't plan for or think of can definitely happen. Definitely possible the halon could have failed, but a bunch of burning plastic, interiors, fuel in gas tanks, even if minimal, and whatever else, if enough vehicles were affected, it'd be unstoppable. It can be as simple as being cut-off from being able to open a valve or fight the fire from the location, and again if not contained quickly, it's at the point where it's not stopping.

That’s absolutely true. It can get out of control very very quickly. Also with such a small crew on a large ship I doubt they have very good fire fighting capabilities. Crew safety is obviously a number one thing so I imagine the captain saw that his team was incapable of dealing with it so immediately ordered an evacuation. I also bet you’re right that the Halon systems where the fire started failed in some way.

[M-technik-3]

Originally Posted by RM7

And yet fires still sink ships These cars get packed in there and it's not inconceivable that things could run away pretty fast.

It was headed to R.I. with about 4000 cars so lightly loaded they said. Add some id4 and Taycan and there's a big fire when thermal run away with the batteries.

[chassis]

Bentleys and Lambos mentioned.

[Chick Webb]

According to this, captain confirms EVs are ablaze, but not necessarily the initial source.

Ship carrying Porsches and Bentleys ablaze near Azores, towing boats en route

That's gonna be a big mess. If 4000 vehicles on there, that implies 2700 Audis and VWs along with the others.

[Humdizzle]

wonder if it would be worth it to take a ship out there and snatch an unaffected or mildly damaged 911 / lambo with a crane lol. the crew is gone right?

would obviously be a branded title but hey put gas in and it runs like a normal car. you could keep it just as a track car no?

one can dream...