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      02-13-2014, 12:48 PM   #45
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      02-13-2014, 12:51 PM   #46
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Except Mercrdes offers its customers cars like the SLS AMG and V12/black series models of most of their top cars. Audi on the other hand has a V10 supercar and the S8. What does BMW have?

If Mercedes and Audi are going downmarket they are also going upmarket at the same time. If BMW "needs" money from FWD vehicles to build higher end cars, then where is the new 8 series, Z8 or M1? Instead we BMW fans get a 3cyl "me too" sports car that will get walked by Mustangs and Camaros.
Fair opinion. But Mercedes and Audi can only build those because they simply have backing from a parent company. Now maybe I'm thinking about this from an average consumer and because I know I'll never be able to afford cars like a R8 or a SLS and perhaps BMW is thinking the same way. BMW has already stated that they won't make a halo super car because the percentage of people out there that would buy such a car is minuscule.

Now if you're in that tax bracket that could afford the super and hyper cars, I apologize, but I'd rather see BMW invest into things that will eventually fall into cars that the average consumer could afford instead of cars that only one percent can afford. We're already seeing that with CFRP. As for the i sub brand, sure it may only look like a textbook exercise today, but like it or not, this is the future of automobiles and I'm glad that BMW is investing into it now. If you're in the position to be able to get such a car out as a volume seller, why wouldn't you? I'm not against super and hyper cars, but as an average consumer, what's there to gain other than to engage in fanboy wars arguing who has the best super car that most of can't even afford? There are specific marques out there that can satisfy your 800HP+ needs.

Right now, I think BMW is in a type of transition stage. We know CFRP is going to take off and maybe the technology used in the i-brand will too. BMW is in the position to provide those to other companies vs. having to source them from someone or somewhere else. I will take the former. From there, who knows what happens in the future but BMW has set up the groundwork for themselves.
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35 models and no actual names haha. One thing active tourer has going is that it at least has a word in naming convention. Not just 35isLxi x drive m sport ahh! Gran coupe.
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      02-13-2014, 01:00 PM   #48
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Many say FWD is OK because Audi, Mercedes and Lexus also have FWD.

But the difference is that Audi has the R8, Mercedes the SLS and Lexus the LFA, and BMW has nothing.
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Except Mercrdes offers its customers cars like the SLS AMG and V12/black series models of most of their top cars. Audi on the other hand has a V10 supercar and the S8. What does BMW have?

If Mercedes and Audi are going downmarket they are also going upmarket at the same time. If BMW "needs" money from FWD vehicles to build higher end cars, then where is the new 8 series, Z8 or M1? Instead we BMW fans get a 3cyl "me too" sports car that will get walked by Mustangs and Camaros.
BMW i8 doesnt qualify? maybe you should read some reviews on it before you open mouth....

the last M3 had an M3 GTS.. I guess that doesnt count either.

And just because the models you are asking for (that you likely won't be buying) right now aren't immediately available.. .... doesnt mean that there are not other models coming. What's to say the M division won't play with the i8 and bring out an M version? Keep in mind that the BMW philosophy for M is to improve on an underlying model..


Personally.. I could care less if BMW makes a halo car that I will never be able to afford. I want them to make sport sedans and sports cars that I *can* afford. Like the one I already own....

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I understand the rationale for some FWD cars.

Just hope that the 2 series (& m135i) doesn't get ditched and mutated into FWD, that would be a very very silly thing to do. The entire USPs are the fact that they are Small RWD Coupes and Hatchback.
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It is, what it is folks...

BMW is at heart, a profit driven, growth seeking enterprise. I see the expansion as evolving and the staying competitive in an increasingly crowded market.

While the fwd BMW variants may be troublesome to loyal enthusiasts, it's BMWs way of broadening up their customer base, and opening doors for their traditionally, larger, RWD, more powerful models.

As long as they continue to evolve their engine technologies, ///M, and overall driving dynamics, I'm okay with the expansion.

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Except Mercrdes offers its customers cars like the SLS AMG and V12/black series models of most of their top cars. Audi on the other hand has a V10 supercar and the S8. What does BMW have?

If Mercedes and Audi are going downmarket they are also going upmarket at the same time. If BMW "needs" money from FWD vehicles to build higher end cars, then where is the new 8 series, Z8 or M1? Instead we BMW fans get a 3cyl "me too" sports car that will get walked by Mustangs and Camaros.
Exactly. Diluting the brand to increase profits is understandable, but it increases the need to reinforce the brand with higher end halo or more hard core products.

Mercedes and Audi are doing a fine job at this. Their halo cars represent the pinnacle of their brands. IMO, AMG = luxury and power, R8 = luxury and design. BMW i8 = technology and driving dynamics? that was confusing. And the M cars continue to evolve into do it all cars, not pure driver cars. Even Porsche is forgivable because it continues to churn out best in class sports cars.

The M235i club car is a step in the right direction, but not a real car for the people. BMW seems more excited about the i3 and enthusiasts seem more excited about the prospect of an M2 (their last hope). Perhaps this indicates where BMW thinks they need to go with their brand...
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I really don't get the issue- as long as BMW still makes cars I want to drive. I could really care less what else they make.
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So we are finally making the car for the BMW (or future) BMW driver who have to compromise because an increase to the family unit or a requirement in flexibility has meant them moving to domestic or import when they would like these features in a BMW? That sucks...
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BMW is just doing too many damn models. Cars everywhere. They are turning into the German version of Toyota
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So we are finally making the car for the BMW (or future) BMW driver who have to compromise because an increase to the family unit or a requirement in flexibility has meant them moving to domestic or import when they would like these features in a BMW? That sucks...
Is there a distinction from what BMW is offering vs what it would have been if it were a Mini? Doesn't BMW still own some of the other Rover brands? Seems like leaving BMW as rwd based cars and Mini or Mini and Riley / Austin Healey / Triumph as fwd based cars would have left a clearer image.
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I really don't get the issue- as long as BMW still makes cars I want to drive. I could really care less what else they make.
The new M3/M4, and the upcoming M2 the big plays right now. If BMW gets those right, they still have their heads on right.
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I really don't get the issue- as long as BMW still makes cars I want to drive. I could really care less what else they make.
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I understand the whole FWD issue. I can get passed that bc I wouldn’t buy/lease one. However, do these vehicles have to look in the front identical to the real (RWD) vehicles? Come on. At least make the FWD fronts look different. All freaking BMWs now look the same in the front, I miss the old days, looks, balls, driving pleasure, etc.
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Gross. BMW already sells too many types of vehicles. I think they need another brand and keep BMW pure.
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It is starting. Before you know it the entire lineup will be FWD boring ultimate commute machines. Scott will say otherwise, just like he said otherwise last year about FWD. I will not buy an expensive commute machine, I'll get a Hyundai, it gets the same job done for 1/2 the price. BMW has to have something special to justify the premium, not just the badge alright.
Exactly...why buy a BMW for a commuter. BMW's are not that nice any ways. Beyond being performance oriented, I would not even drive a BMW. I would look at other brands. Like others have said I would take a Focus ST or GTI over a 3-cylinder over priced fwd BMW. If you are going to go the badge whore route, do it with a giant star on the hood.
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Ok I got ya the active tourer. See I'm already f-ing confused! You say 235 I just assume m235.

I don't like having the same name plate on the minivan. They need to call it x2 or something else.
Yeah call it V2. Oh wait that name is already trademarked by the germans...
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Are these still going to be called "Ultimate Driving Machines"?
lol perhaps a slogan change to "Just Like Every Other Machine" is in their future....sad
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Ok I got ya the active tourer. See I'm already f-ing confused! You say 235 I just assume m235.

I don't like having the same name plate on the minivan. They need to call it x2 or something else.
Yeah call it V2. Oh wait that name is already trademarked by the germans...
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