[drexplode]

Woah, 100M!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/7217894?MSNHPHMA

ya might want to invest in a safe, and place those darn stolen documents in it!

[533ogetnom]

they have appeals available im sure, also its 100m minus what they would be getting for racing, they get millions for every point they score, so they may end up not actually having to pay anything

[achien]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

they have appeals available im sure, also its 100m minus what they would be getting for racing, they get millions for every point they score, so they may end up not actually having to pay anything

Not if they get all their current points taken away, plus pony-up the extra $100M...

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by achien

Not if they get all their current points taken away, plus pony-up the extra $100M...

think

think

think


THEN post

[742]

Originally Posted by drexplode

Woah, 100M!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/7217894?MSNHPHMA

ya might want to invest in a safe, and place those darn stolen documents in it!

The odd thing is that McLaren don't HAVE the "stolen documents".

FIA = WWF. Just a lot more money involved.

[achien]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

think

think

think


THEN post

Unless you are talking about sponsors and endoursements, there will be no FIA money going to McLaren.

Educate us, if you believe you are the only one doing the thinking!

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by achien

Unless you are talking about sponsors and endoursements, there will be no FIA money going to McLaren.

Educate us, if you believe you are the only one doing the thinking!

umm you obviously dont know how the sport works, you get money for winning, a LOT of money, in the tens to hundreds of millions for ferrari and mclaren, the fee is going to be 100million MINUS what they would earn for their performance, which will be a HUGE chunk of change, the point was yea its 100million, but thats a fart in the wind in this sport that has BILLIONS running though it from various angles

you think they are racing only for sponsor money? ive never heard of a racing league, let a lone the pinnacle of racing having people race and giving them just trophies

[achien]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

umm you obviously dont know how the sport works, you get money for winning, a LOT of money, in the tens to hundreds of millions for ferrari and mclaren, the fee is going to be 100million MINUS what they would earn for their performance, which will be a HUGE chunk of change, the point was yea its 100million, but thats a fart in the wind in this sport that has BILLIONS running though it from various angles

you think they are racing only for sponsor money? ive never heard of a racing league, let a lone the pinnacle of racing having people race and giving them just trophies

Yes, they get a lot of $$$ through winning each race and various channels (including winning the constructors championship), but McLaren did not account or budget for losing $100M.

We are talking billions in this sport, but each team has to squeeze every penny into R&D to make a winning car. With an uncount number of staff on the payroll (race drivers, engineers, designers, maintenance, pit crews, lawyers, accountants, ...), this is a real corporation trying to survive in a cut-throat business environment.

McLaren may not feel the pain this year, as they are well ahead of other teams in terms of R&D, but they will definitely feel the squeeze of losing that $100M in R&D in the coming few years.

p.s. ironically, this is their primary reason for espionage as they had been losing out to Renault and Ferrari in the past few years.

[Kiemyster]

this.... argh... so sad.

[dxb335d]

they shouldnt have cheated

[croaker]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

umm you obviously dont know how the sport works, you get money for winning, a LOT of money, in the tens to hundreds of millions for ferrari and mclaren, the fee is going to be 100million MINUS what they would earn for their performance, which will be a HUGE chunk of change, the point was yea its 100million, but thats a fart in the wind in this sport that has BILLIONS running though it from various angles

you think they are racing only for sponsor money? ive never heard of a racing league, let a lone the pinnacle of racing having people race and giving them just trophies

Umm obviously you have no idea how F1 works. Nearly all the money a team gets from the FIA comes via Constructors Championship Points. Each point has a dollar value which is why teams fight for every position. That money is paid out to the teams at the end of the season. So McLaren will be receiving exactly $0.00 from the FIA at the end of the season for constructor points. Plus their asses will be kicked all the way down to the end of pit lane. That’s the ghetto for those of you not familiar with F1. Driver Championship Points are not handled the same way, and do not bring in the same amount of money. In fact it is much less. Maybe a 1-2 million to the winning team per race, and with only 17 races on the calendar this does not add up to much. Even if your team scores a bunch of 1-2 finishes. In fact prize money is a very small part of an F1 teams budget. For smaller teams like Spyker and Red Bull it may make up 5%. For big teams like Ferrari and Mclaren it may go as high as 15%. So where does the rest of the money come from? Well despite what you posted most of the money comes from…you guessed it…sponsors. The cheapest sponsorship deal will cost a company 10-25 million, and that is for a back of the grid team. These teams live and die based on sponsorship not prize money. So if you think Mclaren will simply write off the 100 million dollar loss they just took think again. Why do you think the entire F1 community is loosing their minds over this? So please think think think before you post.

[achien]

Originally Posted by croaker

...
Plus there asses will be kicked all the way down to the end of pit lane. That’s the ghetto for those of you not familiar with F1.
...

+1, besides the $$$, this is probably the worst part, psychologically and tactically, of it all for McLaren.

[phrozen06]

lol It's interesting that Mclaren would do this but I'm sure they're not the first F1 team to try this Stunt. Anything to win!!!!!

Reminds me of the time when Bridgestone and Michelin were competing against each other and both would collect the Clag (Marbles) of each other's compound after each race for further study and the FIA put a stop to that real quick.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by croaker

Umm obviously you have no idea how F1 works. Nearly all the money a team gets from the FIA comes via Constructors Championship Points. Each point has a dollar value which is why teams fight for every position. That money is paid out to the teams at the end of the season. So McLaren will be receiving exactly $0.00 from the FIA at the end of the season for constructor points. Plus their asses will be kicked all the way down to the end of pit lane. That’s the ghetto for those of you not familiar with F1. Driver Championship Points are not handled the same way, and do not bring in the same amount of money. In fact it is much less. Maybe a 1-2 million to the winning team per race, and with only 17 races on the calendar this does not add up to much. Even if your team scores a bunch of 1-2 finishes. In fact prize money is a very small part of an F1 teams budget. For smaller teams like Spyker and Red Bull it may make up 5%. For big teams like Ferrari and Mclaren it may go as high as 15%. So where does the rest of the money come from? Well despite what you posted most of the money comes from…you guessed it…sponsors. The cheapest sponsorship deal will cost a company 10-25 million, and that is for a back of the grid team. These teams live and die based on sponsorship not prize money. So if you think Mclaren will simply write off the 100 million dollar loss they just took think again. Why do you think the entire F1 community is loosing their minds over this? So please think think think before you post.

the fia said the money that they WOULD have earner for contructors points would go toward their fine, thats the WHOLE point of the post was that while yes they get 100 mil fine and yea they cant win the constructors champion but at least their going to still earn the money and offset or eliminate the fine


basically the FIAs "zomg your kicked of the constructos championship and we give you 100mil fine" is basically a "your kicked off the constructors championship and were going to fine you 100million less what you would have earned so you better not slack off and make the rest of the season boring or its going to costs you more"

please THINK about what i wrote before making a response as you obviously did not understand (though i made it pretty clear) this is how the FIA works

also thanks for re asserting my point that 100 million is a fart in the wind to these guys i appreciate it

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by phrozen06

lol It's interesting that Mclaren would do this but I'm sure they're not the first F1 team to try this Stunt. Anything to win!!!!!

Reminds me of the time when Bridgestone and Michelin were competing against each other and both would collect the Clag (Marbles) of each other's compound after each race for further study and the FIA put a stop to that real quick.

EVERYONE does it, its just a matter of who has a piece of shit driver that provides evidence (alonso ) and ends up caught

[croaker]

Try to work this out. 100 million dollars they would have had is gone. No one looses 100 million dollars, shrugs and says, “No biggy, we are rich anyway.” Especially big business. Not to mention the fact that McLaren is not Mercedes proper. They are effectively different companies, and McLaren is not only small (Like the BMW M division) but not all that prosperous at the moment. The SLR is not selling like they hoped. That money would have paid for the teams travel expenses the 2008 season. Now they will have to take that money out of hide. The bean counters (GERMAN bean counters) will be loosing their shit.

I’ll admit that it is difficult for me to work through the misspellings and rude comments and decipher what your argument is. However, it seems that you are arguing that the fine is no big deal because 100 million is just a drop in the bucket. Anyone who has taken an entry level business class could tell you that argument is inaccurate. No business loses 100 million, and F1 is a business, without someone being eviscerated as a result. If this was a Chinese team someone high up would have committed suicide by now.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by croaker

Try to work this out. 100 million dollars they would have had is gone. No one looses 100 million dollars, shrugs and says, “No biggy, we are rich anyway.” Especially big business. Not to mention the fact that McLaren is not Mercedes proper. They are effectively different companies, and McLaren is not only small (Like the BMW M division) but not all that prosperous at the moment. The SLR is not selling like they hoped. That money would have paid for the teams travel expenses the 2008 season. Now they will have to take that money out of hide. The bean counters (GERMAN bean counters) will be loosing their shit.

I’ll admit that it is difficult for me to work through the misspellings and rude comments and decipher what your argument is. However, it seems that you are arguing that the fine is no big deal because 100 million is just a drop in the bucket. Anyone who has taken an entry level business class could tell you that argument is inaccurate. No business loses 100 million, and F1 is a business, without someone being eviscerated as a result. If this was a Chinese team someone high up would have committed suicide by now.

the point is the fine is not a fine

all they are doing is simply taking mclarens constructors points away yea it sucks

however if they did that mclaren would put all their effort into next years car and the rest of this seasons races would be all ferrari and boring, which is why the FIA added the 100mil fine LESS THE MONEY THEY WOULD HAVE EARNED FROM CONSTRUCTORS POINTS

yes they would have gotten that money if this had not happened (but yes its not THAT big of a deal to them) but this is NOT REALLY AN ADDITIONAL THING TO LOSING THEIR CONSTRUCTORS POINTS, its just a "were taking away your constructors points BUT your still going to earn the money you would have but were also fining you about how much money that would be this way you keep racing with full force

if you add it all up youll see its just basically like taking away their points

do you get it yet, so all the hoopla around the 100 million fine is dumb, because all they are really doing in essence is taking away there constructors points

why is this so hard to understand

[achien]

You should explain this to Ron Dennis, may be he will understand what you are talking about and hire you as an advisor going forward.

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

the point is the fine is not a fine

all they are doing is simply taking mclarens constructors points away yea it sucks

however if they did that mclaren would put all their effort into next years car and the rest of this seasons races would be all ferrari and boring, which is why the FIA added the 100mil fine LESS THE MONEY THEY WOULD HAVE EARNED FROM CONSTRUCTORS POINTS

yes they would have gotten that money if this had not happened (but yes its not THAT big of a deal to them) but this is NOT REALLY AN ADDITIONAL THING TO LOSING THEIR CONSTRUCTORS POINTS, its just a "were taking away your constructors points BUT your still going to earn the money you would have but were also fining you about how much money that would be this way you keep racing with full force

if you add it all up youll see its just basically like taking away their points

do you get it yet, so all the hoopla around the 100 million fine is dumb, because all they are really doing in essence is taking away there constructors points

why is this so hard to understand

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by achien

You should explain this to Ron Dennis, may be he will understand what you are talking about and hire you as an advisor going forward.

he knows this very well already, as do most others