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      04-12-2008, 01:37 PM   #1
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Anyone have a gun for safety??

My father and I were thinking about getting one to keep in the house or maybe in our cars, or both. We live in a good area but in Miami you never know what can happen, theres alot of crazy mofos out here. Does anyone have one for safety? If so what kind? And have you ever had to use it or show it to protect yourself or scare someone off that was threatening to you?
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'Gun for safety' is ironic.
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I have a few. A Beretta 9mm, a 1911 .45 (for old times sake), and I normally carry a Springfield Arms XD45.

I would recommend a revolver if you do not have much experience with firearms. You can't go wrong with a .38 small frame if you want to keep it in the car.
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'Gun for safety' is ironic.
That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen you make.
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      04-12-2008, 02:07 PM   #5
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'Gun for safety' is ironic.
How is that ironic..the sole purpose of a gun is for safety..just because people misuse them it doesn't make it ironic.
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Neurorad -- I laugh when people post charts without any analysis. In my line of work you would get fired for that.

So what is your analysis in relation to 'gun for safety' based off the chart you posted? None of the #1 killers was firearms. Did you shade the blocks? What's their significance? Did you do statistical analysis for race, gender, rate of ownership / occurrence per citizen, etc? When I'm 65, I hope I have one of those "help me I've fallen and I can't get up" devices.

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Amusingly enough, this makes more of an argument for gun ownership than against it. If you don't have a gun, you can't do shit when someone threatens your life with their gun. If you do have a gun, you can defend yourself.
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I thought it was clear enough from the chart (from the CDC,their colors), that guns are associated with death.

OT, but where do illegal guns come from? I never really thought about it. Certainly, most legal owners don't commit crimes (yes, they often do, but certainly nobody who drives a BMW; and nobody here on this board would commit suicide). I realized that they're stolen from legal owners, who keep them in their car or unlocked at home.

Sorry, I forgot that NRA members are 'fanatical' about ownership. Feel the power, the cold steel. Must be really something to walk around like a big man, able to kill when you want to. Must be quite a rush. I think I've discovered the reason for the fanatacism, thinly veiled as a constitutional right.

'Yeah, I carry a gun for SAFETY, not because of psychology'

Yes, I'm making fun of C&C.

Why don't people obsess over the fourth, fifth, or sixth amendments, instead of the 2nd?
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Amusingly enough, this makes more of an argument for gun ownership than against it. If you don't have a gun, you can't do shit when someone threatens your life with their gun. If you do have a gun, you can defend yourself.
haha exactly... now lets all get guns for protection...
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I thought it was clear enough from the chart (from the CDC,their colors), that guns are associated with death.
Charts rarely speak for themselves. The point I pushed was a chart can state there were 4410 homicide-firearm deaths for the 15-24 year group, but does this mean the deaths resulted from the firearm? Literally, yes... however, firearms are a facilitator. The root of the problem is not the firearm, but the people who shed all morality and kill a fellow human. 500 years earlier, and the study could state homicide-mace. Same difference, still likely a similar failure in humanity on the part of the aggressor.

Now even though I own firearms, I think owning a full-auto is ridiculous. There is no practical reason to possess such a weapon other then in the prosecution of war. And even such, the U.S. military has for the most part replaced full-auto inventory with 3-round burst.
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Now even though I own firearms, I think owning a full-auto is ridiculous. There is no practical reason to possess such a weapon other then in the prosecution of war. And even such, the U.S. military has for the most part replaced full-auto inventory with 3-round burst.
There is no reason to posses a Porsche, Ferrari et al. UPS, USPS and FedEx all get by with slow as hell diesel trucks and their business depends on getting things delivered quickly.

Seriously though, an M249 is akin to a 599. Do you need either? No. Are they a lot more fun to use than their more common and lower performance counterparts? Hell yes.
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OT, but where do illegal guns come from? I never really thought about it.
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I know you're familiar with China, so why is it that China must open an AK-47 factory on the outskirts of Khartoum while al-Bashir wages a campaign of demographic 'reorganization' in Darfur? On a very basic level it's money, and where's there is a will (or buyer) there is a way to get arms into a country.
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There is no reason to posses a Porsche, Ferrari et al. UPS, USPS and FedEx all get by with slow as hell diesel trucks and their business depends on getting things delivered quickly.

Seriously though, an M249 is akin to a 599. Do you need either? No. Are they a lot more fun to use than their more common and lower performance counterparts? Hell yes.
Can't transport too many sets of 19" rims and exhausts in a Ferrari.

For some it may be as basic as ego... owning a full-auto (Ferrari) to impress your friends. One round from a 9mm can have the same effect as a 30 rounds from an M249.
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I thought it was clear enough from the chart (from the CDC,their colors), that guns are associated with death.

OT, but where do illegal guns come from? I never really thought about it. Certainly, most legal owners don't commit crimes (yes, they often do, but certainly nobody who drives a BMW; and nobody here on this board would commit suicide). I realized that they're stolen from legal owners, who keep them in their car or unlocked at home.

Sorry, I forgot that NRA members are 'fanatical' about ownership. Feel the power, the cold steel. Must be really something to walk around like a big man, able to kill when you want to. Must be quite a rush. I think I've discovered the reason for the fanatacism, thinly veiled as a constitutional right.

'Yeah, I carry a gun for SAFETY, not because of psychology'

Yes, I'm making fun of C&C.

Why don't people obsess over the fourth, fifth, or sixth amendments, instead of the 2nd?
1. If anything that chart is an argument for banning drivers age 15-34. Sure would cut lot of deaths out. Also looks like people out to watch where they step...less trip and falls, less deaths.

2. If you're being neutral, why not post up the ample statistics about how many times guns are used to save life? Oh that's right, I forgot, because when those statistics get posted, no one believes them....and because the people who defended themselves are still alive.

3. The fourth, fifth and sixth amendment, contrary to popular belief, are not under the constant barrage of assaults that the second amendment is under.

4. NRA members are as fanatical about ownership as anti-gun fanatics are about banning them. And despite populist myth to the contrary, the vast majority of American citizens are vehemently opposed to banning guns.
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If you want the best thing for home get a shotgun, with low recoil slugs and make sure you get a light for the shotgun. Its the best close quarters self defense weapon made period. If someone broke into my house its the first thing I would go for rather than any pistol. A pistol is only good for getting you to your shotgun or rifle.

And never shoot a rifle indoors you will be dazed beyond belief, hence the shotgun.
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