[darkphantom]

Here is a suggestion for the "equality" of women in today's society...they say day care for the children of working women will help women get economic equality....so the gov't says they will subsidize day care, meaning make it pretty affordable. They're proposing basically that $.50 for every dollar spent, 50%, on day care for the children of working mothers (30hrs+/week) will be refunded as a tax credit.

Additionally, the government will also pay cash up to $2k for women who pay less than $2k in taxes a year - basically in lieu of the tax credit, to offset up to half of the first $4k spent on day care....

Question is, do you guys think this is an effective way of achieving "equality" for the women? I mean....there are some equity and efficiency issues involved right?

[aut0sh0cker]

Who needs equality for women?

Okay, let's look at this from a physics perspective: matter can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change states. Using this as a starting point, I can say that to give equality to women, means that some equality had to be taken from somewhere else... MEN. I don't know about you, but we cock-wielders have worked hard for many millennia to get the equality we have today, and now they just want to "spread the equality around?"

I'm sorry, but this one is a no-go for me...

[darkphantom]

lol, the fundamentals of matter -

This isn't as concrete as matter, so perhaps it wouldn't directly apply - but going with what I had initially mentioned, I don't think this will work out, since women are screwed twice anyways.......i.e. first they have lowered wages BECAUSE they're women, and then they have to take care of a child. So even if the latter was fixed, they still have the former! thus, nothing really changes...

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by darkphantom

lol, the fundamentals of matter -

This isn't as concrete as matter, so perhaps it wouldn't directly apply - but going with what I had initially mentioned, I don't think this will work out, since women are screwed twice anyways.......i.e. first they have lowered wages BECAUSE they're women, and then they have to take care of a child. So even if the latter was fixed, they still have the former! thus, nothing really changes...

This is all falling into the equality in the work-place branch now. Which can be controversial for many poeple. I have a very clear take on it however, women want to exploit the double standard.

Women want equality in the work place, working as equals with men. But they aren't equals. They don't share men's perspective on many subjects and as a result of this basic difference, work will never be the same with as many mixed in equally as men. Men in their off time are fun, care-free, vulgar, and pigs. We know it, we love it, and we certainly don't care. We fuck with our buddies, mess with their heads and give them shit. Would this type of office banter, small talk, and general behavior work with a woman? Absolutely not. You can and will expect a sexual harrassment lawsuit.

Where is the equality? Certainly, by introducing a women into the scenario a portion of equality was taken away from the men, as was mentioned above. Women want equal pay, but aren't willing to adapt to the current conditions of the office and scenary. They want to change things, every man will have to bite his tongue and won't be able to speak his mind. Again, I ask where is the equality?

I have absolutely no problem with women being in the work place, and making a salary equal to or exceeding my own. Absolutely no problem with that, as long as they don't mind the current conditions of the workplace. What I do have a problem with is how they want more than just that. They still want to be treated like a lady, not a co-worker or office buddy. It is a doublee-edged sword and its stiffling.

Will masculine, heterosexual men be welcome to work in workplaces that have historically been dominated by women? I can bet you they would feel uncomfortable about it.

What this all comes down to is sex. Sex fucks up everything, literally. Whether it be in the work place or not. I'm not sexist, but I do feel like everyone and everything has a role and a place. There is always an exception, but it is an exception to the rule. The rule still standing tall in this instance.

I also believe that while all men(figuratively) may be created equal, what happens to them after birth and the choices that they make is not equal. This rule applies purely to conception, imo. And the issue of sexist profiling and screening is only a result. How many women construction workers are there out there? What is the male/female ratio in the army? How about the number of men libraries, maids/housekeepers, or hair stylists? Also, equal doesn't mean equal in the same exact areas either. You could be good at sports, but dumb and thusly equal out or vis-versa. They aren't the same, and it is a function of genetics and society combined, not just the latter.

[UltimateBMW]

Here is a list of non-traditional careers for the two genders.
Taken from: http://www.quintcareers.com/non-trad...l_careers.html

Non-Traditional Career Paths for Women
Airline Pilots
Announcer
Architects
Auctioneers
Bellhops and Porters
Carpenters/Construction Workers
Chefs and Head Cooks
Clergy
Dentists
Electricians
Engineers
Film Directors
Firefighters
Fishers, Hunters, Trappers
Funeral Directors
Garbage/Waste Collectors
Groundskeepers and Gardeners
Hospital Administrators
Logging Workers
Machinists
Mail Carriers
Mathematicians
Mechanics
Meter Readers
Optometrists
Parking Lot Attendants
Pest Control Specialists
Printing Press Operators
Scientists and Science Teachers
Security Guards
Security and Fire System Installers
Service Station Attendants
Taxicab Drivers and Chauffeurs
Tow Truck Operators
Truck Drivers
Welders

Non-Traditional Career Paths for Men
Bank Tellers
Bookkeepers
Cashiers
Child Care Workers
Clerical/Administrative Support Workers
Cosmetologists
Court Reporters
Dental Assistants and Hygienists
Elementary and Middle School Teachers
Flight Attendants
Hair Stylists
Home Health Aides
Hotel Clerks
Librarians
Maids and Housekeepers
Nurses
Occupational and Physical Therapists
Receptionists
Secretaries
Sewing Machine Operators
Social Workers
Speech pathologists
Teacher Assistants

[darkphantom]

Very good info, especially that whole "double-edged sword" concept - I don't really work with many women except for my boss, but she isn't anything like what you described...but I do see where it would be difficult for women to wear men's shoes...

[Expired]

Mmm.. When you say equality/Womens rights.. All I can think about is how if women want their equality, they need to earn it instead of having it given to them.

They should want to pay for half or more of everything, and not leave it up to the guy.
They shouldn't fuck over 90% of males in a divorce, they should get what is fair.
They shouldn't be defaulted with the child in a divorce because they're the ones that are able to produce milk.

I have some other issues with women crying foul.. Can't think of them all at the moment. I do however think that Daycare is a bit expensive..

Originally Posted by darkphantom

lol, the fundamentals of matter -

This isn't as concrete as matter, so perhaps it wouldn't directly apply - but going with what I had initially mentioned, I don't think this will work out, since women are screwed twice anyways.......i.e. first they have lowered wages BECAUSE they're women, and then they have to take care of a child. So even if the latter was fixed, they still have the former! thus, nothing really changes...

3 words.. Fuck that shit.
IMO the defining reason for women being paid less in Corporate and Government related jobs is that they are a liability. You run the risk of them having a child while working for you, having lack of productiveness exponentially increasing up until 9 months, then you pay them maternity leave for 6+ weeks.
That leaves a deficit that needs to be filled, and one way to recoup those losses is to pay women less.

Women need to QQ and shut the fuck up.

-Nathan

[darkphantom]

Originally Posted by Expired

Women need to QQ and shut the fuck up.

-Nathan

ROFL

Less QQ and more pew pew

[Couch]

No, it's not a good idea.

On a side note, women will feel more equal when they quit lambasting other women who chose to work at Hooters, strip, do porn, etc.

I'm tired of women saying that it degrades women. Really? It does? Is that just because you're jealous that some girls are proud of their bodies and decide to flirt with guys and gets bigger tips buy wearing orange shorts and a white tank top with Hooters written on it?

I thought women wanted equality to choose their own path, yet these feminist bitches don't want women to choose to wear little or no clothing for money.

[Speedtrap]

Would it be so nice to go back to the stone age days, and when you want it; you knock them over the head with a club lightly; pull them by their hair and drag them back to your cave? I might be watching too much cartoons!

[Tortfeasor 335xi]

Originally Posted by darkphantom

Here is a suggestion for the "equality" of women in today's society...they say day care for the children of working women will help women get economic equality....so the gov't says they will subsidize day care, meaning make it pretty affordable. They're proposing basically that $.50 for every dollar spent, 50%, on day care for the children of working mothers (30hrs+/week) will be refunded as a tax credit.

Additionally, the government will also pay cash up to $2k for women who pay less than $2k in taxes a year - basically in lieu of the tax credit, to offset up to half of the first $4k spent on day care....

Question is, do you guys think this is an effective way of achieving "equality" for the women? I mean....there are some equity and efficiency issues involved right?

Why do you think this is actually about work place equality? With all the demographics showing that the higher the income and education of the person the less likely they are to reproduce as frequently, I would not be surprised if this is a thinly veiled attempt at getting the "right" sort of people to breed. But since Eugenics is not a politically popular argument, they call it a womans' equality issue to hide the classist nature of the program. After all, in a modern society, women are no longer the only care givers. So either the name is sexist, or the actual motivation is different.

[UltimateBMW]

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