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01-15-2009, 06:53 PM | #45 | |
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Here's your Boeing. No thanks, I will stick with my Airbus What airplane you fly? and please don't say 737 |
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01-15-2009, 07:02 PM | #46 | |
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BTW, if you are going to counter argue, something I welcome, you might want to bring some facts with it, don't just post a video, thats too easy Cheers, e46e92
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01-15-2009, 07:11 PM | #47 | |
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BTW. BMW do suck can't wait to trade my POS 335 for a Z06. |
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01-15-2009, 07:12 PM | #48 |
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airbus > boeing. Saying the a320 was better as a tree trimmer? Umm that's why it's called a TEST flight. Can you say fly-by wire? Was it frontier that was going to get 737's but Boeing didn't agree on the price so airbus invited them over to Europe and put them up in sick hotels and all this stuff and gave them a better deal and they ended up going the bus way. So instead of Boeing making a couple of hundred million dollars (at least) they came out with nothing. Yeah that's smart.
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01-15-2009, 07:12 PM | #49 |
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01-15-2009, 07:17 PM | #51 |
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And let's not forget which passenger jet set the record for the longest and farthest glide after a dual engine flame out. Wasn't airbus' fault, RR didn't send the mechanics the required parts for the new engine and they ended up using a separator bar for the older engine that rubbed the fuel line till it burst.
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01-15-2009, 07:20 PM | #52 |
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I was working at LGA and about 10 mins before the end of my shift, I got word that one of the A320 crashed into the hudson river, all of us went from the hangar to the bar in the terminal to watch the news...thought it was one of our planes but got lucky.
Plane crash landed into the water after hitting a flock of geese, disabled both engines and they requested to return to LGA but ATC told them to go to TEB...they rejected that and told them they can't make it and had to land on the water and ditch. Amazing the pilot set it down easy on the water and didn't spin out the plane or let the nose go underwater during water landing. Captain has 29 years of flying experience, aircraft was built in 1999. To see what the aircraft did after takeoff, go to: http://www4.passur.com/lga.html and enter 15:26 and press play, you will see a plane depart to the north from LGA and make a turn to the left over to the hudson river...note the altitude as it turns and descends. Kudos to the crew for getting it down safetly.
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01-15-2009, 07:22 PM | #53 |
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Damn . I should be working for B6 this summer though, im attempting to get an internship in the flight department.
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01-15-2009, 07:26 PM | #54 | |
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No argument the crew did an excellent job. I still don’t know why they were thinking about going back to LGA when EWR is only a few miles from TEB |
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01-15-2009, 07:29 PM | #55 |
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Maybe they're unfamiliar and in the heat of the moment first thing that pops into your head is where you took of from. So natural reaction is shit lets go back. Or they had they're navs and comms set to LGA and given their low altitude they didn't have time to figure out the rwys at EWR and change freq and yada yada.
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01-15-2009, 07:39 PM | #56 | |
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01-15-2009, 07:42 PM | #57 |
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oh and all this boeing vs. airbus BS, stfu. both companies make quality products that rarely malfunction or they wouldn't be airworthy. to me, it's comparing apples to apples. for me, i prefer boeing because it's american-made and i'm more familiar with the planes. outside of that, whatever.
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From what I gathered, they were like 'locked' into that mode and was unable to recover. Quote:
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The fix was to stop using forklifts to install the whole engine/plyon assembly to save time. The acutal problem happened about 10 flights ago when AA mechanics removed the engine (it was approved by the FAA for this prodecure but McD told AA it's not recommended and you're on your own with that one) they installed the new engine/plyon and installed the front mounting bolt and left to lunch. During lunch time, the seals in the forklift actuator leaked very slowly and the engine with only the front bolt installed, pulled on the wing (weight) and pushed up the aft mount into the area where the mount on the wing (for the engine) buckled. Mechanics came back to work and did not notice the problem, they just readjusted the forklift to make the aft mount bolt holes line up and installed the bolt where the damage has been done already and gone unnoticed. AA had to go to criminal court over their maintenance pratices on DC-10's and the chief mechanic who leaded the engine change operation on that DC-10 was due to show up to court (between AA and McD) to testify the prodecure that was used to install the engine. Just days before, he killed himself by closing the garage door and run his car and passed out due to carbon monoxide poisoning. A internal report was made by AA (forgot the name) and that was put on desk of the CEO of AA at that time and it had shocking answers and results in it. He ordered it destoryed. Some time later a copy of the report appeared and he was blackmailed. Shortly after, AA settled without question. The sad fact is that AA had the DC-10 fully insured and they made a profit off this crash... AA got a check for full replacement of the DC-10. Investigators ran the #'s countless times in a queens warehouse where the files of that DC-10 was stored (insurance papers, maintenance records, etc) and could not believe it. |
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01-15-2009, 07:52 PM | #61 | |
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It's either risk casuilites on the ground and the aircraft or settle for the river which was the best choice at that time considering the size of the aircraft and the location they're aiming to ditch at. It did a long glide down to over the hudson and settled down softly tail first to drag the plane down and not cartwheel over the water. |
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01-15-2009, 08:11 PM | #62 | |
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IAE is a joint project which RR and P&W both work together. Basically the fan and compressor section is provided by RR and the turbine section is provided by P&W. Same goes for CFM which is a joint project between GE and Snecma. As for the 777 engines: You have 2 options, GE or RR. P&W failed on the 777 engine which ended up Boeing to pick GE and RR for the powerplant options. As the reason P&W failed, the PW4000 had the worst fuel burn and the least thrust output. Only one or two airlines ordered the 777 with P&W's As for GE, they're the most efficient and least fuel burn, least robust. RR is between GE and P&W but is more robust. That is to say if you get a compressor stall in a GE, you may break a few compressor blades. As for RR, maybe or maybe not...depends on your luck. As for P&W, they're built like tanks, compressor stall the blades will take the abuse with no problems. When the 777-300ER (longer verison of the 777-200) was in the stages of being built, due to the power requirements (almost 100,000 lbs of thrust per engine needed to substain a failed engine at takeoff), it was very costly and RR wouldn't take the risk (they did build one close to 100k thrust but couldn't achieve it with reliability), as for GE, they can afford to but want exclusive rights to that type of the aircraft before they would even build one. The GE90-115B was born. and it could do 115k thrust unrated on the test stand...more than enough for the power requirements for the 777 with room to spare/improve over the future. After meetings, reviews, etc, at the board meeting, GE won the exclusive rights to the 777-300ER and in part, they funded the R&D of the 777-300ER. P&W was locked out due to the history of the PW4000 and they had no chance in hell. |
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Boeing didn't believe jetblue would mature and become a airline like they are today. Since then, they now deal with upstart airlines. |
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01-15-2009, 08:17 PM | #65 |
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i never said they did. i know what planes use IAE engines, i was saying P&W and RR both made engines for the 777, but you are much more knowledgeable than me about engines. you are a A&P mech for 777, right?
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01-15-2009, 08:21 PM | #66 | |
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It wasn't RR's fault. They had a SB out for updating the fuel line to clear the hyd lines. It was Air Transat maintenance supervisor's fault. He wanted the aircraft done and back in service after a scheduled engine change and the company was short on planes and needed it bad. The mechanic refused to sign it off and backed out after the engine change was complete. The supervisor signed if off. RR and Airbus provided assistance with the investigation and they had the paperwork stating it's a know problem and there's a SB to fix it. During the investigation, the supervisor was suspended without pay. A while later, he was fired. Not sure if they yanked his "Transport de Canada-o" license to work on aircrafts. |
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