[Express]

i wouldn't give that guy anything.

who is it

[ragingclue]

Well, you could always accidentally post his number, address, and bimmerpost handle, and let that run its course....

Or you could request he send the item back, and ONLY THEN refund him the money. Let the paypal process work itself out, or see if you can somehow get this douchebag for harrassment.

What a fucking douchenozzle.... "I'm willing to settle, based on you're ignorence...." Did a 5-year-old get a hold of Daddy's cell phone, or is the dude really that fucking stupid? There's like an entire year's worth of irony in that quote.

[LACSTER]

I wonder what Siri would do????????

[Kroy]

I vote stick to your guns, OP. Are you seriously going to reward this guy for bullying you? Go the paypal route and let them make the decision. Nothing unfair about that.

[Templar]

Like I said in your other post bro, this guy has nothing on you. The fact that he doesn't care about Paypal anymore and is just threatening you proves that. He just wants to scare you until you give in and give his money back, then he has the item AND his money and he is the winner.

You can ignore the harrassment, let Paypal sort it out and continue to keep them informed and show them the proof of the harrassment. I would definitely consider taking this to the police, if anything to just have some sort of police report recorded so you can say you filed it and they can also show the proof of the harrassment. I think hiring a lawyer and taking legal action on him might be a bit much, because honestly it's probably just some kid who thinks he's a tough guy on the internet and phone, but if the harrassment gets out of control then you definitely can. You would win too, unless there is something else you're not telling us

Someone else mentioned to just give him the money, but I wouldn't, and honestly I think that is stupid... You have a lot on your side here and will not lose this battle. Idiots like this need to be put in their place, otherwise they will just do the same thing to someone else and get away with it too.

[chungdae]

Check with your state laws. If he threatens you with any type of bodily harm it's assault. Straight to jail if you bring it to your local PD. The way he's threatening you now is harassment not too much you can do, but I would just save all the texts and forward them to the local PD and have a police report on file just in case something were to happen. After you have the police report taken, take pictures of it and send it to him. That should shut him up real quick. If he continues to harass you tell him you will put a restraining order against him, sue him, and make him pay for the restraining order including time away from work. Also text him the police department's phone number if he thinks you're bluffing with the detective or PO that wrote out the report. Also explain to him you were going to refund him the money but him being a complete ass hat decided not to. You should also text him this thread and see if he replies. If you also want to royally piss him off just block his number through ATT's website, make an ad on craigslist and put his phone number for free Disney movies, subscribe him to free porn, deliver pizza to his house, etc. Trolling it's an art.

[MidwestGolfBum]

Originally Posted by chungdae

Trolling it's an art.

+1 Have porn that he wouldn't want others to see (Gay, animal, crazy fetish, etc, get creative) delivered to his neighbors house with his name on it. Have other things like Chungdae suggested delivered to his house. You have his address...

[persian54]

Originally Posted by abisson

+1. Just curious, how did he get your cellphone number?

Prior to making the sale, I said he could text me incase he had any further questions etc etc

It's my g-voice #, so he doesn't know my actual cell #

Originally Posted by Alpine Whiteboy

This...IS... SPARTA!!!

Lol

Originally Posted by Memphis1

Stop replying to him and advise your cellphone provider to track all calls and messages to you from his number. Forward all threats to paypal and based on that they wont honor his request. if he continues to harrass you definitely take it to court.

Yeah I've sent all the screen shots to paypal as part of the evidence.


Can they trace the info even though it's through google voice?

Originally Posted by Quick6EF

Refund $45.

End story.

I would have done it straight at the beginning no problem but he filed a paypal claim instantly without even waiting to talk to me... and then got all aggressive etc.
Wtf why should I be nice to some rude prick.... (was my thought process at the time)


I don't think I can even refund him now cause it's in investigation. Anyone have experience with this?

Originally Posted by 1sikbmr

this. don't stop. You technically have nothing more to lose than $45 and the item. He's got a shit load more because of his stupidity.

What all that legal crap he's talking about
US Postal service/wire fraud etc? wtf?

Originally Posted by Jebus335

Stick to your guns... I've dealt with ass-hats like that before, they do this to get free products from weak individuals. (This is all assuming that this played out like you said)

The thing that bugged me is he wants me to refund before sending the product back...paypal policy is the item is returned prior to any refund being given out...

Originally Posted by Freakazoid

I'm confused, this is a member of bimmerpost then?


this will be your immediate first issue, as you know he has your cell phone, and can likely easily find your email address. Crazy people do stupid stuff. So just watch your ass (restraining order is not a horrible idea).

You actually have a suit for harassment. If I were you, I'd look into that. I'd simply, and succinctly tell him to stop harassing you and let Paypal handle the arbitration. If he continues, sue his ass.

But to make sure you understand, NOTHING he says is true in terms of other effects. You're not committing fraud by the government. And you sure as fuck aren't committing wire fraud.

There is no monetary things for you to be worried about, ONLY about his crazy ass finding out where you live. but again remember the harassment suit you have and you might want to start consulting with some local attornies

I do love the "right to bear arms" law...that's really my only real protection right?
Cause even with a restraining order, he's still able to do what he wants

He knows my address as it was on the return label
He knows my email address as well, he sent me the paypal payment

Yes bimmerpost member, hence why I said he has 0 iTrader and not enough posts to even PM..

I'm really curious what is this wire fraud etc he's claiming... it's paypal, not a wire, and it's fking $45!

What worried me about refunding him is he said he'd come down and personally deliver it to me....no..big no. keep it rather than coming near me

Originally Posted by Quick6EF

The buyer has his contact info. Why would you continue to get harrassing messages and go to the police when you can refund and move on?

If this contact was only through e-mail that is different. Cell phone communication changes a lot.


Persain just pay the crazy fuck and move on. Not that hard.

The paypal rep I have to wait it out and see what paypal decides.... was this rep wrong?

I'd hate to send him $45 with a 1% chance paypal stays neutral (buyer return item, seller refund). then he'd get $90. that is just plain wrong on so many other levels

Originally Posted by ABQ325i

Do not refund unless he returns the item. I get these from time to time from eBay buyers who think they can bully you into getting a refund and keeping the item.

About once a year I will get a threat like this. Last year I sold an item to a guy who was not happy, he was going to have my real estate license taken away because I wanted the item back before the refund. He even actually wrote a letter to the Real Estate Commission complaining.

Bottom line is, if he is not happy then he can return for a full refund.

Wtf? a letter? It didn't do anything did it?

I have no issue refunding if he sends it back first.... but he wants $ and then wants to deliver it "personally"

Originally Posted by 1ForAll

I would not refund the $, the guy is obviously being an ass hat. This guy is harassing/threatening you and I would submit all the text to paypal.

On a side note, this is why I do not do business with noobs on the forum..

Yeah I've sent it all to paypal and also spoke to them over the phone regarding the matter

Seriously, I'm not dealing with people who have so few posts and no iTrader. it's a real PITA

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Well, you could always accidentally post his number, address, and bimmerpost handle, and let that run its course....

Or you could request he send the item back, and ONLY THEN refund him the money. Let the paypal process work itself out, or see if you can somehow get this douchebag for harrassment.

What a fucking douchenozzle.... "I'm willing to settle, based on you're ignorence...." Did a 5-year-old get a hold of Daddy's cell phone, or is the dude really that fucking stupid? There's like an entire year's worth of irony in that quote.

Yeah I'll refund if he sends it back....

but I'm not going to violate paypal rules for him and get screwed.
Their policy strictly states no refund until item is returned

Originally Posted by LACSTER

I wonder what Siri would do????????

I asked, she said "I don't know"

Originally Posted by Templar

Like I said in your other post bro, this guy has nothing on you. The fact that he doesn't care about Paypal anymore and is just threatening you proves that. He just wants to scare you until you give in and give his money back, then he has the item AND his money and he is the winner.

You can ignore the harrassment, let Paypal sort it out and continue to keep them informed and show them the proof of the harrassment. I would definitely consider taking this to the police, if anything to just have some sort of police report recorded so you can say you filed it and they can also show the proof of the harrassment. I think hiring a lawyer and taking legal action on him might be a bit much, because honestly it's probably just some kid who thinks he's a tough guy on the internet and phone, but if the harrassment gets out of control then you definitely can. You would win too, unless there is something else you're not telling us

Someone else mentioned to just give him the money, but I wouldn't, and honestly I think that is stupid... You have a lot on your side here and will not lose this battle. Idiots like this need to be put in their place, otherwise they will just do the same thing to someone else and get away with it too.

There's more I didn't mention, but it's useless info.
All I've said to him (cause I didn't post my texts) is that he is rude/unreasonable/should maybe seek a physician or psychiatrist since high blood pressure is bad for the heart, simple friendly advice, that's not illegal is it?
He sent pics, and to the best of my knowledge and understanding, I sent him exactly what the dealer gave me, part number #####, as I had no need for it.
I had more than one, as the dealer gives it with every new car purchase, and my family recently bought more than 1 car from them (not immediate family, but same thing.. people in their 40s-50s didn't care for them so they gave them to me )

Originally Posted by chungdae

Check with your state laws. If he threatens you with any type of bodily harm it's assault. Straight to jail if you bring it to your local PD. The way he's threatening you now is harassment not too much you can do, but I would just save all the texts and forward them to the local PD and have a police report on file just in case something were to happen. After you have the police report taken, take pictures of it and send it to him. That should shut him up real quick. If he continues to harass you tell him you will put a restraining order against him, sue him, and make him pay for the restraining order including time away from work. Also text him the police department's phone number if he thinks you're bluffing with the detective or PO that wrote out the report. Also explain to him you were going to refund him the money but him being a complete ass hat decided not to. You should also text him this thread and see if he replies. If you also want to royally piss him off just block his number through ATT's website, make an ad on craigslist and put his phone number for free Disney movies, subscribe him to free porn, deliver pizza to his house, etc. Trolling it's an art.

LOL i never considered the CL/pizza stuff. Hilarious.

I'll file a police report, not a bad idea.
Restraining order is a couple hundred dollars and I need to stand in a long line
But if that really is the only way to make him go away...


Why would it piss him off if i blocked the #? He can still email...

hell if he emailed I'd prefer it, cause then maybe I could read them. it's a PITA to read his texts since they come in a weird order

[Templar]

Originally Posted by ecjohnston

+1 Have porn that he wouldn't want others to see (Gay, animal, crazy fetish, etc, get creative) delivered to his neighbors house with his name on it. Have other things like Chungdae suggested delivered to his house. You have his address...

I would agree, but the way this guy is acting he probably already has all of those subscriptions

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by chungdae

Check with your state laws. If he threatens you with any type of bodily harm it's assault. Straight to jail if you bring it to your local PD. The way he's threatening you now is harassment not too much you can do, but I would just save all the texts and forward them to the local PD and have a police report on file just in case something were to happen. After you have the police report taken, take pictures of it and send it to him. That should shut him up real quick. If he continues to harass you tell him you will put a restraining order against him, sue him, and make him pay for the restraining order including time away from work. Also text him the police department's phone number if he thinks you're bluffing with the detective or PO that wrote out the report. Also explain to him you were going to refund him the money but him being a complete ass hat decided not to. You should also text him this thread and see if he replies. If you also want to royally piss him off just block his number through ATT's website, make an ad on craigslist and put his phone number for free Disney movies, subscribe him to free porn, deliver pizza to his house, etc. Trolling it's an art.

Try to fish a direct threat out of this guy.

If this guy finds out who you are and continues to harass you, it wouldn't be surprising if someone were to anonymously post a craigslist ad with info about some dumbass selling Disney shit.

[MidwestGolfBum]

Originally Posted by Templar

I would agree, but the way this guy is acting he probably already has all of those subscriptions

Very true, but I bet the neighbors, and mommy and daddy would like it.

[chungdae]

Originally Posted by persian54

Prior to making the sale, I said he could text me incase he had any further questions etc etc

It's my g-voice #, so he doesn't know my actual cell #





Lol




Yeah I've sent all the screen shots to paypal as part of the evidence.


Can they trace the info even though it's through google voice?






I would have done it straight at the beginning no problem but he filed a paypal claim instantly without even waiting to talk to me... and then got all aggressive etc.
Wtf why should I be nice to some rude prick.... (was my thought process at the time)


I don't think I can even refund him now cause it's in investigation. Anyone have experience with this?





What all that legal crap he's talking about
US Postal service/wire fraud etc? wtf?





The thing that bugged me is he wants me to refund before sending the product back...paypal policy is the item is returned prior to any refund being given out...




I do love the "right to bear arms" law...that's really my only real protection right?
Cause even with a restraining order, he's still able to do what he wants

He knows my address as it was on the return label
He knows my email address as well, he sent me the paypal payment

Yes bimmerpost member, hence why I said he has 0 iTrader and not enough posts to even PM..

I'm really curious what is this wire fraud etc he's claiming... it's paypal, not a wire, and it's fking $45!

What worried me about refunding him is he said he'd come down and personally deliver it to me....no..big no. keep it rather than coming near me



The paypal rep I have to wait it out and see what paypal decides.... was this rep wrong?

I'd hate to send him $45 with a 1% chance paypal stays neutral (buyer return item, seller refund). then he'd get $90. that is just plain wrong on so many other levels



Wtf? a letter? It didn't do anything did it?

I have no issue refunding if he sends it back first.... but he wants $ and then wants to deliver it "personally"



Yeah I've sent it all to paypal and also spoke to them over the phone regarding the matter

Seriously, I'm not dealing with people who have so few posts and no iTrader. it's a real PITA





Yeah I'll refund if he sends it back....

but I'm not going to violate paypal rules for him and get screwed.
Their policy strictly states no refund until item is returned






I asked, she said "I don't know"




There's more I didn't mention, but it's useless info.
All I've said to him (cause I didn't post my texts) is that he is rude/unreasonable/should maybe seek a physician or psychiatrist since high blood pressure is bad for the heart, simple friendly advice, that's not illegal is it?
He sent pics, and to the best of my knowledge and understanding, I sent him exactly what the dealer gave me, part number #####, as I had no need for it.
I had more than one, as the dealer gives it with every new car purchase, and my family recently bought more than 1 car from them (not immediate family, but same thing.. people in their 40s-50s didn't care for them so they gave them to me )




LOL i never considered the CL/pizza stuff. Hilarious.

I'll file a police report, not a bad idea.
Restraining order is a couple hundred dollars and I need to stand in a long line
But if that really is the only way to make him go away...


Why would it piss him off if i blocked the #? He can still email...

hell if he emailed I'd prefer it, cause then maybe I could read them. it's a PITA to read his texts since they come in a weird order

It'll piss him off because you stopped replying.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by Kroy

Try to fish a direct threat out of this guy.

How? I've never had to deal with something like this before

[Seminole]

Here's the guy:

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/member.php?u=139466

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by Seminole

Here's the guy:

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/member.php?u=139466

Wow, what an incredibly fitting username.

Poostang

Really? How old is this brat?

[WWONG]

Send him pictures of corpses and stuff that you Google or chicks eating poop. Basically, troll the hell out of him. I mean, if he can be tough behind a phone, why can't you?

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by ABQ325i

Do not refund unless he returns the item. I get these from time to time from eBay buyers who think they can bully you into getting a refund and keeping the item.

About once a year I will get a threat like this. Last year I sold an item to a guy who was not happy, he was going to have my real estate license taken away because I wanted the item back before the refund. He even actually wrote a letter to the Real Estate Commission complaining.

Bottom line is, if he is not happy then he can return for a full refund.

Sup persian..i agree with my fellow Manchester United supporter. He may very well be a bully that employs this tactic to get free stuff...no return no refund. Don't do anything silly since he has your address, keep it professional.

(Drives an X3 and has the handle Poostang...yeah ive got all the info i need on this one)

[Year's_End]

figuratively subscribed

[Bumer]

Meanwhile in Russia... Mmm... Dreaming...
Too bad it's in US.

Hmm... Don't give this guy anything. Let PayPal handle dispute.

I don't think there is much need for restraining order. But, sounds like something cops would be able to help you with, as well. Nowadays they take this $hit seriously.

This guy probably needs good lesson.

Good luck!

[driersheets]

Hmm to troll poostang or not to troll...lol

[Bobble]

File a police report first with all his pertinent info, just in case.

Tell him once PayPal decides you will immediately initiate the actions described by PayPal.

If he insists on personal delivery then hold him off and ask the officer or PD you filed with(hopefully yours) if they can send a cruiser or LEO out and meet them at the site described for the exchange(they may not do that but worth a try). That should tell him you mean business, give him his $45 get the item in question and personally inform him if he contacts you again you will forward directly to PD and file a resrianing order. Hard to get decent jobs with restraining orders filed on you.

His handle should have been POOSTAIN that would be much more appropriate. I do agree he's simply just trying to get the item and a refund at the same time by strong arming you. Good Luck

[persian54]

I called paypal again.

Told them I don't want to deal with him...so they advised me to close the dispute and have the buyer return the item and then he receives a refund (which is what I wanted to do...I just wish he wasn't such an a-hole)

If the buyer doesn't provide tracking within X amount of days, case closed and I keep the $45

If he provides tracking, and I receive the wrong item, then I can open up a claim/dispute from my end for seller protection

She mentioned that since I'm a top customer etc, that I should have no problem(s) etc

She said that if I was an actual business (like say IND or EAS or something), I'd have a much stronger case, but since I'm an individual and not a business, the case isn't as strong

Honestly I don't care anymore. I just want him to go away and leave me alone.

I'll file a police report though, that's easy right?