another smoking issue (RB turbos)

Compman · 12-10-2015, 11:14 AM

335i AT with 107,000 miles on the clock

The car is making good power the problem I am having is this gray oil smelling smoking pouring out of the exhaust.

The smoking does not start until the oil temperature goes about 160.. At stop lights the whole intersection is filled with this foul smelling smoke.

I am thinking its the turbo seals, (I hope not), or a cracked valve cover.

I have recently replaced the Valve Cover Gasket, and also upgraded to the RB PCV valve..

Has anyone has the same experience. The thing that stumps me is the car doesn't emit any smoke until the oil temperature needle moves past 160.

Holding boost fine. Running e85 and she pulls good. The smoke is embarrassing.

Also my oil gauge shows full still.... Weird.

Coats · 12-10-2015, 11:21 AM

I say seals. I had the same symptoms with a MS3 and the seals were the problem. I switched to Rotella T3 and it was a temp band aid but the smoke came back.

Compman · 12-10-2015, 11:23 AM

Thanks for the quick reply.

I'm thinking its the seals as well. Just so weird that its only when the oil comes to temperature.
I guess when oil gets hot it thins out a little bit?

Can I use Rotella in the N54?

Give_Em_The_DD · 12-10-2015, 11:47 AM

Miles on the turbos?

Compman · 12-10-2015, 11:52 AM

about 30,000 :0

Cloud9blue · 12-10-2015, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compman

335i AT with 107,000 miles on the clock

The car is making good power the problem I am having is this gray oil smelling smoking pouring out of the exhaust.

The smoking does not start until the oil temperature goes about 160.. At stop lights the whole intersection is filled with this foul smelling smoke.

I am thinking its the turbo seals, (I hope not), or a cracked valve cover.

I have recently replaced the Valve Cover Gasket, and also upgraded to the RB PCV valve..

Has anyone has the same experience. The thing that stumps me is the car doesn't emit any smoke until the oil temperature needle moves past 160.

Holding boost fine. Running e85 and she pulls good. The smoke is embarrassing.

Also my oil gauge shows full still.... Weird.

Sounds more like PCV and valve cover issue. Perhaps the PCV ports are clogged up. I had the same issue after I went fully catless. But after a few track days and PCV upgrade and a few oil change, it has been completely smokeless for the last 16000 miles and doesn't eat any oil during normal street driving (1/2 qt for a full track weekend, which I think is normal). Mine you I am still on stock turbo with 49000 miles on the car right now.

Compman · 12-10-2015, 12:02 PM

I hope so...

I am going to take the valve cover off. What ports should I be looking at?

Cloud9blue · 12-10-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Compman

I hope so...

I am going to take the valve cover off. What ports should I be looking at?

There are quite a few on the valve cover and the block as well. Have look at the technical PDFs on the sticky threads.

Try change your oil more often at 3-5k miles interval and rev the engine more. I think a lot of problem with PCV is due to condensation and slush buildups from cars that don't see boost very often (which is typical for street driving).

Compman · 12-10-2015, 12:06 PM

Okay thanks,

this is a lot easier then pulling the turbos and having them rebuilt

_ink · 12-11-2015, 01:35 AM

It's only doing it when the oil is heated, tried going a higher viscosity of oil?

Coats · 12-11-2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by _ink

It's only doing it when the oil is heated, tried going a higher viscosity of oil?

+1

BeastMode335i · 12-11-2015, 02:29 PM

Do any of these aftermarkets come with warranties?

12-11-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastMode335i

Do any of these aftermarkets come with warranties?

Yes.

BeastMode335i · 12-11-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FCobra94

Yes.

I read Tony telling someone to kick rocks after like a week of owning one of his turbos so I wasn't sure..

GrizzyGroff · 12-11-2015, 02:55 PM

and that was why I decided to buy my turbos from another comapny

BeastMode335i · 12-11-2015, 03:01 PM

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and that was why I decided to buy my turbos from another comapny

Who'd u go with?

Levanime · 12-11-2015, 03:44 PM

have not heard anything bad about hexon and pure yet

GrizzyGroff · 12-11-2015, 04:23 PM

Went with hexon, heard nothing but good things this far!

Riceball777 · 12-12-2015, 01:20 AM

seems like 30,000 miles is about the longest aftermarket hybrid turbos last.

12-12-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Riceball777

seems like 30,000 miles is about the longest aftermarket hybrid turbos last.

Thanks for the expert analysis.

Compman · 12-12-2015, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Coats

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ink

It's only doing it when the oil is heated, tried going a higher viscosity of oil?

+1

I did not try a high viscosity oil. What type do you recommend? I don't want to hurt the engine

Compman · 12-12-2015, 12:39 PM

also, when i open the oil cap and the engine is running puffs of smoke come out

hard to explain. I know I sound like a n00b

12-10-2015, 11:14 AM	#1
Compman Boosty 55 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 2008 RB 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New jersey iTrader: (0)	another smoking issue (RB turbos) 335i AT with 107,000 miles on the clock The car is making good power the problem I am having is this gray oil smelling smoking pouring out of the exhaust. The smoking does not start until the oil temperature goes about 160.. At stop lights the whole intersection is filled with this foul smelling smoke. I am thinking its the turbo seals, (I hope not), or a cracked valve cover. I have recently replaced the Valve Cover Gasket, and also upgraded to the RB PCV valve.. Has anyone has the same experience. The thing that stumps me is the car doesn't emit any smoke until the oil temperature needle moves past 160. Holding boost fine. Running e85 and she pulls good. The smoke is embarrassing. Also my oil gauge shows full still.... Weird. __________________ '08 335i AT Alpina Flash~Rob Beck Turbos~Full kittyless exhaust~DCI~5" Intercooler~Chargepipe BOV~BMS meth kit
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Coats New Member 1 Rep 19 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Xdrive Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Etters, PA iTrader: (0)	I say seals. I had the same symptoms with a MS3 and the seals were the problem. I switched to Rotella T3 and it was a temp band aid but the smoke came back.
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12-10-2015, 11:23 AM	#3
Compman Boosty 55 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 2008 RB 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New jersey iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the quick reply. I'm thinking its the seals as well. Just so weird that its only when the oil comes to temperature. I guess when oil gets hot it thins out a little bit? Can I use Rotella in the N54? __________________ '08 335i AT Alpina Flash~Rob Beck Turbos~Full kittyless exhaust~DCI~5" Intercooler~Chargepipe BOV~BMS meth kit
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Compman Boosty 55 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 2008 RB 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New jersey iTrader: (0)	about 30,000 :0 __________________ '08 335i AT Alpina Flash~Rob Beck Turbos~Full kittyless exhaust~DCI~5" Intercooler~Chargepipe BOV~BMS meth kit
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Compman Boosty 55 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 2008 RB 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New jersey iTrader: (0)	I hope so... I am going to take the valve cover off. What ports should I be looking at? __________________ '08 335i AT Alpina Flash~Rob Beck Turbos~Full kittyless exhaust~DCI~5" Intercooler~Chargepipe BOV~BMS meth kit
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12-10-2015, 12:06 PM	#9
Compman Boosty 55 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 2008 RB 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New jersey iTrader: (0)	Okay thanks, this is a lot easier then pulling the turbos and having them rebuilt __________________ '08 335i AT Alpina Flash~Rob Beck Turbos~Full kittyless exhaust~DCI~5" Intercooler~Chargepipe BOV~BMS meth kit
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Compman Boosty 55 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 2008 RB 335i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New jersey iTrader: (0)	also, when i open the oil cap and the engine is running puffs of smoke come out hard to explain. I know I sound like a n00b __________________ '08 335i AT Alpina Flash~Rob Beck Turbos~Full kittyless exhaust~DCI~5" Intercooler~Chargepipe BOV~BMS meth kit
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