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02-16-2013, 01:20 PM | #23 | |
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I don't think you could pay me any sum of money to live in California.
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02-16-2013, 04:50 PM | #26 | |
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The murderer hasn't been sentenced yet. That's set for March 4th. |
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02-16-2013, 06:17 PM | #27 |
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No doubt. If you want to live near water the gulf coast is your best bet.
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02-16-2013, 09:53 PM | #29 |
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maybe Northern California is fucked up.
I remember a guy that a lot of my friends personally know got shot and killed over a slice of pizza here in San Francisco.
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02-17-2013, 02:36 AM | #31 | ||
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Not to add fire to the debate. I wouldn't say that 10 years was a fair sentence, but I can understand why the DA and the jury agreed on manslaughter charges.
To me, it seems more like a voluntary manslaughter since he had no intention to killing the man. Definition of voluntary manslaughter: Quote:
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02-17-2013, 08:20 AM | #32 | ||
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See the definition of manslaughter Inspired offered.
Good thing you are not a judge, anyone who pissed you off enough you would sentence to die ten times over. Juries are biased, it's proven fact the more representation you can afford the lighter your sentence is.. failure of the judical system. Yeah maybe, but you don't understand those either. Quote:
I am not mocking, but I admit I did not offer any sympathies - other people did already. If everybody just gathered together and say "fuck this guy to hell lets kill his family three steps removed" what would be the good in that? I prefer to offer some reality rather than comfort. If something bad happens and you are just bitching about the wrong done unto you, you fail to see not the other side, but objective reality which is somewhere in the middle. Quote:
What PROBABLY happened was, 'victim' laughed at accused, accused got angry and punched victim, victim relatiated, 'fight' ensued. Victim died from injuries. What differs in the accounts is whether the victim stood over the accused thus giving accused reason to feel threatened hence perpetuating the fight etc. Its not murder, its manslaughter. Not a lawyer, but those are the facts folks. |
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02-17-2013, 09:32 AM | #33 |
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Do you have any ethics? This guy beat a man to death who was 30 years older than him, simply because he laughed; and you think it's justified that he gets a maximum sentence of 11 years. Are you fucking mental?
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02-17-2013, 10:35 AM | #34 | |
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The more you scream at me that I am mental the more I get the idea you have rage issues.. |
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02-17-2013, 11:21 AM | #35 | |
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This wasn't some freak accident that caused this mans death. The perp attacked the victim with the intent to do harm which resulted in death. |
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02-17-2013, 11:22 AM | #36 |
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Yeah, you never know when someone is going to snap. Better to be safe than sorry when deciding on whether to troll someone in real life.
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Exactly why he should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder. It may not have been premeditated, which would have been 1st degree, but it was definitely done with intent to harm. If you intend to hurt somebody and they die, its murder. Manslaughter should be reserved for strictly accidental events.
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02-17-2013, 01:27 PM | #38 |
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To anyone trying to defend this clown, saying 11 years in prison is justified, just stop. This dude is a f**king un-evolved ape that is unfit for society. People like him should be put down old-yeller style.
I'm not gonna condone it, but if I were OP in this situation, I would make sure this animal's 11 years in prison would be his last. Failure of the justice system means its time to take matters into your own hands. |
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Juries don't determine sentence they only determine guilt. Sentencing is at the sole discretion of the judge and even then he/she has to follow sentencing guidelines prescribed by law. The only time the jury is involved in sentencing is during a capital case where there is a sentencing phase and they vote death penalty vs life in prision. |
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Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of passion," under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed. Voluntary manslaughter. This is often called a "heat of passion" crime. Voluntary manslaughter arises when a person is suddenly provoked (in circumstances which are likely to provoke many reasonable people) and kills in the heat of passion aroused by that provocation. That the killing is not considered first or second degree murder is a concession to human weakness. Killers who act in the heat of passion may kill intentionally, but the emotional context prevents them from having the ability to fully control their behavior. As a result, the heat of passion reduces their moral blameworthiness. The common example of voluntary manslaughter involves a husband who comes home unexpectedly to find his wife committing adultery. If the husband is provoked into such a heat of passion that he kills the paramour right then and there, a judge or jury might very well consider the killing to be voluntary manslaughter. Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" Facts: Standing next to each other in a bookstore a few feet away from the top of a flight of stairs, Marks and Spencer argue over the proper interpretation of free will in Hobbes's philosophy. The argument becomes increasingly animated and culminates when Spencer points a finger at Marks and Marks pushes Spencer backwards. The push is hard enough to cause Spencer to fall backwards and down the stairs. Spencer dies from the resulting injuries. Verdict: Marks would probably be guilty of involuntary manslaughter. It was criminally negligent of Marks to shove a person standing near the top of a stairway. But circumstances don't suggest that Marks's behavior was so reckless as to demonstrate extreme indifference to human life, which would have elevated the crime to second degree murder. Quote:
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We differ in that you only consider what YOU think and couldn't give a damn what the other side thinks, I (try to) abandon any personal opinions and try to see it from the point of view of the supposedly unbiased judge. That said, I am probably biased against dicks that troll in real life, I can imagine how annoying a 56yr old asian guy laughing in my face can be. This does not deserve his death, but you are overstating the facts by saying he killed him outright from such a little thing. Since it is the 3rd time you have called me mental, here is a meme for you. ![]() |
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02-18-2013, 07:35 AM | #44 |
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Wow the fact you would even go there in a thread like this- where the victims family member is among us is shocking to me, that is just disturbing, and far beyond poor taste.
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