[Mingwan]

Would definitely take this over a 6 series. Looks better, interior is way nicer with what looks to be better materials inside m. It sounds better as well. It's a great cruising car that I would trust not to have major mechanical issues past 100k miles. If sportiness really mattered that much in a car, why not just get an amg GT, Porsche 911, corvette, etc....

[KingOfJericho]

This car has much more road presence than the 6er it competes with. Lexus wasn't trying to make the fastest GT car on the road. Other companies are doing that and their cars have piss poor reliability. This thing will be comparatively bulletproof. There is a market for this.

I will say that I am disappointed that Toyota/Lexus aren't building more driver-focused cars. Personally, I think the Lexus IS is the most attractive small sedan in the segment but it has all the driving engagement of a baby stroller. I would have one in my garage if it came with a third pedal (which I know will NEVER happen).

[Reborn_]

Needs more performance to justify that aggressive exterior styling IMO.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Reborn_

Needs more performance to justify that aggressive exterior styling IMO.

The "F" version will achieve that.

[shay2nak]

holy shit, that's fugly

[Reborn_]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

The "F" version will achieve that.

True enough. I wonder if it will get some accents that are yet more aggressive?

[davis449]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

The "F" version will achieve that.

Shouldn't need an "F" version of any of these cars to achieve a competitive level of performance. Lexus has had all the opportunity in the world to develop a reliable, performance oriented engine for cars that are not of the "F" marque and they just haven't done it. They are doing it now, thank God, but it's just not here in time for this particular vehicle.

I agree, this is a gorgeous car, but if it can't perform like it looks, forget it. Not worth the money they want for it when there are better options out there. I drive a BMW for precisely this reason. When Lexus' turbo 6 finally arrives, I'll be in one. Until then, looks alone aren't going to cut it...and I love their styling direction.

Lastly, there's no excuse for any GT car to be slow and lacking in performance. Look up the definition of GT car. If it's slower than a 750i, it doesn't meet the GT Car requirements.

[TXSTYLE]

Lexus is simply following suit like their German counterparts: ///M from BMW and AMG from Benz.

I disagree completely with your assessments. The GS-F is considerably more power over GS. Lexus will no doubt add at least 100+hp to the F version. Badass car either way.
For it's price point and what it provides overall, it's a winner.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by davis449

Shouldn't need an "F" version of any of these cars to achieve a competitive level of performance. Lexus has had all the opportunity in the world to develop a reliable, performance oriented engine for cars that are not of the "F" marque and they just haven't done it. They are doing it now, thank God, but it's just not here in time for this particular vehicle.

I agree, this is a gorgeous car, but if it can't perform like it looks, forget it. Not worth the money they want for it when there are better options out there. I drive a BMW for precisely this reason. When Lexus' turbo 6 finally arrives, I'll be in one. Until then, looks alone aren't going to cut it...and I love their styling direction.

Lastly, there's no excuse for any GT car to be slow and lacking in performance. Look up the definition of GT car. If it's slower than a 750i, it doesn't meet the GT Car requirements.

+1000 yep...

gentlemen, sales of this car will prove everything... albeit, I expect no surprises

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by davis449

Shouldn't need an "F" version of any of these cars to achieve a competitive level of performance.

Why not? BMW and Benz do it.

Anyway, As I was saying...

http://blog.caranddriver.com/scoop-6...ing-this-fall/

Currently, the 471-hp Lexus LC500 is the brand’s high-performance flagship. But we’ve learned that Lexus is planning more. Set to make its debut at the Tokyo auto show in October is an ultra-high-performance LC F that will feature a new twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 punching out a potent 600 horsepower.

According to our source at Lexus, this high-performance powerplant is in essence two 8AR-type 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engines joined together at 90 degrees. The twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8 also will find its way into the GS F—making 550 horsepower—but for the LC F it will be turned up to 600 horsepower, with 470 lb-ft of torque. As with the LC500, the F will use the company’s 10-speed automatic transmission.

The LC F’s bespoke body kit will feature hood vents, air ducts for brake cooling, a fixed rear wing, and an aggressive front splitter as well as side and rear air vents. A set of 20-inch wheels wrapped in high-performance rubber will keep the LC F stuck to the road, while six-piston brake calipers will squeeze the rotors to scrub off speed. We’ll learn more about the hardware on this ultimate Lexus this fall.

https://www.slashgear.com/a-600hp-le...fear-01476858/

Lexus may have only just wowed us with the 2018 LC 500, but the automaker is reportedly readying an even more potent, even more exclusive LC F version. The LC is currently available in two forms, the 471 horsepower LC 500 which uses a 5-liter V8 naturally-aspirated engine, and the 354 horsepower LC 500h hybrid, which pairs electric motors with a V6 engine. According to a new report, however, Lexus is preparing to throw some serious turbocharged grunt at the curvaceous car.

In fact, the target is a whopping 600 horsepower, according to the Lexus insiders talking to Car and Driver. What Lexus has apparently been working on is a flagship LC F, a fitting follow-up to the hyper-bespoke LFA supercar. To achieve that sort of performance, the engineers are reportedly throwing out both of the LC’s current powertrains and cooking up a brand new one.

That, it’s said, is a 4.0-liter V8 with twin-turbochargers. Indeed, the LC F team has supposedly taken two of the automaker’s 8AR-type 2.0-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder engines and effectively joined them together at a 90-degree angle. It’ll be dropped straight into the LC F with the LC 500’s 10-speed automatic transmission.

Lexus is believed to have broader intentions with the new 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 than just the LC F, though it’s there that the engine will be most powerful. In the supercar, it’ll be tuned for around 600 horsepower and 470 lb-ft. of torque. Lexus has also earmarked it for a version of the GS F performance sedan, which also currently uses the 5.0-liter naturally-aspirated V8, though there it’ll be tuned for a “mere” 550 horsepower.

Of course, there’s more to a true F-series car than just the engine, and Lexus’ engineers have apparently been having some fun with the LC F’s styling, too. The car will reportedly feature hood vents and air ducts for brake cooling, and those brakes will use six-piston calipers for extra braking power. There’ll be a fixed rear wing, it’s reported, and a more aggressive front splitter. Vents will spring up on the sides and rear, too.

The LC F will sit on new 20-inch wheels, too, with high-performance tires as standard. In short, it’ll be a track-ready, Porsche-eating monster, versus the more grand tourer aspirations of the current LC 500. As we discovered in our own first drive of that car, despite all the power the LC is really happiest on – and tuned for – public roads.

Being track-ready will come at a price, mind. Lexus isn’t expected to reveal the LC F officially until the Tokyo Auto Show in October 2017, but that will just give you time to start saving. A sticker potentially close to twice that of the $92,995 LC 500 is tipped.

[onsafari]

So based on the preliminary info on the LC F it could be a 150k easy......I'll still pass. Many other cars out there for less with far better performance.

Lexus should have learned from the failed sales of the GS F which turned out to be a bust from what I've gathered since it was priced so high.

Lexus should have made the LC 500 a 60-65k car and then took the LC F up to around 100k.

Only time will tell how it turns out for Lexus with this.

[hau_nguyen91]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

Would definitely take this over a 6 series. Looks better, interior is way nicer with what looks to be better materials inside m. It sounds better as well. It's a great cruising car that I would trust not to have major mechanical issues past 100k miles. If sportiness really mattered that much in a car, why not just get an amg GT, Porsche 911, corvette, etc....

A benz is not a Lexus , a BMW is not a Lexus and a Lexus IS not a BMW or a benz.

There's pros and cons in all. They didn't built this Lexus to fit only your tastes but for others.

Don't understand why folks compares and want every single cars to be the same?

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by hau_nguyen91

A benz is not a Lexus , a BMW is not a Lexus and a Lexus IS not a BMW or a benz.

There's pros and cons in all. They didn't built this Lexus to fit only your tastes but for others.

Don't understand why folks compares and want every single cars to be the same?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by hau_nguyen91

A benz is not a Lexus , a BMW is not a Lexus and a Lexus IS not a BMW or a benz.

There's pros and cons in all. They didn't built this Lexus to fit only your tastes but for others.

Don't understand why folks compares and want every single cars to be the same?

I think there is an issue to be had with image and value more than anything...

you are kind of kidding yourself these days if you are selling a luxury sports coupe for $100k with an NA V8 that is slower than a big ass BMW 7 series... I mean who are you planning to compete against here, the big cadillacs? that is a loss by default

[wdb]

Originally Posted by Reborn_

Needs more performance to justify that aggressive exterior styling IMO.

Four hundred and seventy one horsepower is not enough performance? That's probably twice the horsepower necessary for that car to do every single thing it would ever actually need to do on real roads in the real world. The rest is just there for 'performance'. The suspension is doubtless tuned towards the comfort end of sporty but if the car won't carve the hell out of an exit ramp I'll eat my hat.

I think sometimes people get too hung up on numbers. Actually I'm sure of it.

[TXSTYLE]

Yep. Everyone out buying cars isn't looking for the fastest, best cornering, track machine. Especially at this price point and age bracket.

[hau_nguyen91]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I think there is an issue to be had with image and value more than anything...

you are kind of kidding yourself these days if you are selling a luxury sports coupe for $100k with an NA V8 that is slower than a big ass BMW 7 series... I mean who are you planning to compete against here, the big cadillacs? that is a loss by default

Lol... so the only good thing about buying a $100k car is for the speed ? Nope , it's about the experiences and speed only a portion of that.


Can you tell me what $100k car out there that is offers more reliability , safety , and better at warranty at the same time ?

[BMW F22]

I'll throw something out there: good friend has been looking at a new car. He loves the looks of the 6 series but is terrified at the reliability. Hence he's been looking at the RC-F as the alternative. The point is not everyone looks for the great overall performance in a BMW. Reliability plays a large role when spending a lot of money.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by hau_nguyen91

Lol... so the only good thing about buying a $100k car is for the speed ? Nope , it's about the experiences and speed only a portion of that.


Can you tell me what $100k car out there that is offers more reliability , safety , and better at warranty at the same time ?

It's impossible to compare to another car of this type as another car of this type does not exist. It doesn't really compete with anything that I can think of.

I am not here to argue with anyone, I am stating my opinions... and my strong opinion is that this car will sell as well as the RCF as Lexus still doesn't quite have this section of the market figured out...

Identical to the hype of the Alfa Romeo Giulia (which currently is barely moving off the lots), the manufacturer doesn't have the market figured out.

[P1]

Front reminds me of other Lexuses. Rear reminds me of a Prius.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I understand that, but I can't help being supremely disappointed in Toyota / Lexus.

Toyota produced (eons ago it feels like) sporty cars like the MR-2, Supra, etc that were actually fun to drive, phenomenal engine in the Supra that could be tuned for immense power and now.....nothing. The FR-S doesn't count. No power.

Lexus has the looks, but nothing to back it up - which is why they disappoint me. Because I really believe they could back it up - if they wanted to. So why not - why not put some punch in your brand - I'm not talking a wholesale revision to your go-to-market strategy...just one car that is exciting and fast. Gets people talking and youth interested in your brand.

LF-A is why I said "almost" everything is underwhelming. But then they went and priced it out of the stratosphere so it was almost unobtainable, so they missed the mark on that one too I believe. But I had hope there for them - I thought it might be the start of something.

I even have hopes for this car - the FI version of this car might very well be something exciting. Time will tell.

Agreed. Toyota went for reliability at the cost of everything else. The LFA is made from unobtainium. They could do some inspiring cars and revitalize some of their marque names but instead they do crap like scions and 50 versions of boring people movers. Lexus has always been the luxury brand that was smaller, underpowered, worse handling, but similar priced and more reliable than the Germans. The original IS was the last car they made I had any interest in at all, which quickly disappeared with the first G35 and e9x cars. They should make a 300 hp rwd Celica and a 500hp rwd or awd supra. This would wake up the brand and get the turd out of TRD.

[Reborn_]

Originally Posted by wdb

Four hundred and seventy one horsepower is not enough performance? That's probably twice the horsepower necessary for that car to do every single thing it would ever actually need to do on real roads in the real world. The rest is just there for 'performance'. The suspension is doubtless tuned towards the comfort end of sporty but if the car won't carve the hell out of an exit ramp I'll eat my hat.

I think sometimes people get too hung up on numbers. Actually I'm sure of it.

You're preaching to the choir on the "numbers" issue - hell I have an S54 machine rather than a big V8. But in that class, numbers do matter, and when you have a certain expectation of the numbers based on the competition, and then you see that sort of aggressive styling, it leaves something to be desired IMO. That said, it is probably right in line with a base model 6 series, but the difference is the aggressive styling.