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07-11-2011, 12:15 AM | #111 | |
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I thought Alonso and Hamilton were the drivers of the day. Hamilton flew up the order (like usual) and was unfortunate to have the fuel consumption issue. A thumbs-up as well to Rosberg, Perez, and Schumacher. Perez just seems to put in these strong, quiet drives out of nowhere. Those of you who think Alonso was lucky - his pace was brutally quick, and he was already catching Vettel before the 2nd to last pit stop. I think it would have been a great battle between the two of them, if Vettel hadn't had the pitstop issue. Last edited by Echo M3; 07-11-2011 at 12:21 AM.. |
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07-11-2011, 12:26 AM | #112 | |
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I think he delivers excitement each time he suits up. Check out the way he cares for his tires better than anyone else in the field (except maybe Perez), not to mention usually having a great strategy. Unless you call excitement what MSC is up to as of late. 13th to 8th, penalty, back to 9th etc. Exciting, but no brains |
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07-11-2011, 01:35 AM | #113 | |
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I would say probably at least 1/3 of his abilities with tire preservation are just due to the car;s down force and having clean air. Look at Mercedes to see the polar opposite. They are probably the worst on their tires of the top teams, openly admitting they have rear tire degradation issues.
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07-11-2011, 01:35 AM | #114 |
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did anybody else think that the penalty on The Legend (Schumacher) was a bit harsh? maybe if he had kept going, but he got a double penalty because he had to come in for a new nose cone. So he paid for his mistake (DRS - outbreaked himself), then they give him a stop and go. By the way, hadn't seen a stop and go in ages, but the reasoning was that going through the pitlane is actually faster even with the speed limiter. Either way, a great drive back through the field, but disappointed he couldn't pass Heidfeld at the end, probably out of tyres or running out of fuel.
Anyhow, my 2 cents. side rant - Hamilton had the same issues with the DRS a couple of times, it just didn't result in a crash. Why on earth did the FIA establish the DRS well into a corner like that, with one racing line? sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Also, this track needed a double zone.
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07-11-2011, 01:37 AM | #115 | |
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The stewards also states that if any driver attempted to take advantage of the short pit lane during the race there would be a penalty.
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07-11-2011, 03:16 AM | #116 |
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oh everyone knew. most people were wearing radio headsets or headphones. but the PA announced certain team radio transmissions and it was very known. no love for RBR there amongst the british fans, obviously. they cheered more for vettel giving up the lead than anything. to my left, a couple guys from denmark that were ferrari fans, to my right and everywhere in front of me were mclaren fans, and behind me were a bunch of german vettel fans. everyone was very civil though. i was surprised at the lack of overall shit talking (there was virtually none) like there would be at any sporting event in america, especially since this was a highly contested race.
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07-11-2011, 08:21 AM | #118 | |
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For example, Vettel crashed into Button in Spa last year, SV required a new nose, but then he still need to serve his penalty when the stewards completed their investigation.
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07-11-2011, 08:40 AM | #119 | |
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07-11-2011, 09:28 AM | #120 |
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great race, FA and LH had an amazing race. Too bad for LH, McLaren didnt get the fuel right or he could have def finished in the podium.
That Ferrari really came alive when the track dried out, FA pace was nasty, even when he was due to pit, his laps were still blazing fast. Too bad for SV, the pit crew really did him in but I cant feel too bad for a guy who is pretty much set to win this years world tittle for a second time. but i think UltimateBMW is right, the RB7 really struggles in dirty air, much more than any others. They are truly amazing in clean air but if you can somehow pass one, its very hard for them to overtake. And I dont wanna hear about how SV couldnt pass LH cause of one dry line, LH passed FA in the wet line when it was much wetter out |
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07-11-2011, 09:55 AM | #122 | |
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Congrats to Ferrari for having enough influence to have the rules changed twice in the middle of a season to help them gain some ground. While other teams concentrate on technological innovation to win races, they rely on political influence. They are treated with these kid gloves just because of their historical significance to the sport. The car is not as well rounded, not as consistent, and not as technically advanced as the others so they get the rules changed to bring the other teams back to their level. It's fucking pathetic.
That being said, it wasn't the stop that caused Vettel to fall back. That cost him a few seconds, for sure, but certainly not the 20 seconds that separated the two.
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07-12-2011, 01:56 PM | #125 | |
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07-12-2011, 02:09 PM | #126 | |
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Think of the Brawn GP car, the RB6 and RB7 for recent examples and any win ing Lotus or Williams car from the 1960s on. Colin Chapman made the first mid engined F1 car...Ferrari bitched, then they copied it Lotus made first use of the engine as a structural component...Ferrari bitched then decided to copy it Tyrell made a 6 wheeled car...Ferrari bitched, car was banned Ferrari bithes and the rules are changed, or they simply copy the design. It's a pattern. When was the last time that Ferrari came out with a tech that was so much better than the competitions that it was banned? |
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07-12-2011, 02:43 PM | #127 | |
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As far as what I posted, this was discussed by the commentators on Speed during the race about how every time another team comes up with something really creative and within the current rules, a few races later after Ferrari has trouble getting their version of said innovation to work, it's magically banned. Coincidence? I don't think so. As BrokenVert just posted, it's been happening for years. Oh, and Jean Todt, the former CEO of Ferrari and employee for 15 years, is the current head of the FIA. Nothing shady there at all...
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LOL. Tru dat!
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Ferrari were just the better team on Sunday. Did you watch live timing during the race? Did you see the Alonso was significantly faster once the track started drying out? Setup has a whole lot to do with how a 1300 pound car handles. Set it up with too much of a bias towards handling in the wet and you'll be slow in the dry. Set it up for handling in the dry, and you'll be screwed when it gets wet. How about giving credit where credit is due, rather than slag the winning driver.
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07-13-2011, 12:19 AM | #130 | |
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Teams always find clever loopholes in the rules, then other teams who didn't come up with it either copy it or try to get the rule "clarified" to remove the advantage. As of late, Renault had the mass dampers, Ferrari the movable floors/wings, Brawn the double decker diffuser, McLaren the F-Duct, Red Bull the flexing front wing, Renault the blown diffuser... I'm sure I'm missing a few notable ones.
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07-13-2011, 07:27 AM | #131 | |
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Think about it though, you've got two teams (Mclaren and Red Bull) who have similar innovations that lead to increased race success over another team that happens to have a great deal of influence at the highest levels of the powers that be. Instead of waiting until the end of the season to write up clearer rules, they are changed between races leaving no time to realistically rethink their clearly better technology. The whole thing stinks to high hell, but hey, I'm just the village idiot apparently. Is the wool getting itchy?
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This article and this article might be of some interest to those who think I'm making things up.
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