I Got A Summons...I Need Your Help...

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 04:48 PM

i was at a red light, no one around...a few cars pulled up behind me, and alongside me, but no one ahead...i thought, hey i havent used DS mode in a while, why not give it a shot...so i switched to sport mode and accelerated pretty fast to 35 mph and then let go, i looked in my rear view mirror and most of the cars were pretty far backk so i dropped to 30 and kept going...i made the turn for the street to my house and a cop pulls me over [he was at least 3 cars behind me, so even if was speeding, he coouldnt of detected it with his radar]...i had my top down...

officer: hi speed racer
me: excuse me? [i tried to be as polite as possible]
officer: can i see your license and registration
me: yes sir, what did i do wrong?
officer: you dont think you were speeding?
me: no, i only went to 35, i admit i accelerated quickly, but i dont think i was speeding...how fast was i going?
officer: you dont think you were speeding?
me: no officer, i honestly dont...but how fast was i going?
officer: you were going fast
me: can i please get a warning officer?
officer: im not sure what im gonna do yet

15 minutes later he gives me a summons...what do you think i should do?

he didnt charge me with wreckless endangerment [which is what i thought was associated with quick acceleration], but instead with speeding...no speed limit is on the ticket...i dont think he even radared my car...

i really would appreciate if some guys on the forums could hold back the age comments...i really need help, and this isnt a great experience...

retlod · 09-20-2007, 04:54 PM

First, what was the speed limit?

Second, how fast does the ticket say you were going?

Third, how fast does the ticket say the cop was going when (or if) he gunned you?

Then we'll talk.

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retlod

First, what was the speed limit?

Second, how fast does the ticket say you were going?

Third, how fast does the ticket say the cop was going when (or if) he gunned you?

Then we'll talk.

the speed limit was 30

the doesnt doesnt have a speed

the ticket doesnt give his speed

i asked him to tell me howw fast i was going about 3-4 times...he didnt respond with a staright answer once

[thank you for trying to help]

BMW335icDDS · 09-20-2007, 04:58 PM

I bet the cop is jealous of a younger guy in a nicer car than he can afford.

Oz · 09-20-2007, 05:00 PM

It sounds like you can easily get this ticket dismissed if he didnt state how fast you were going and if he didnt click you. He obviously does not have any proof so I dont see why you should easily get this taken care of.

TheAcAvenger · 09-20-2007, 05:00 PM

Go to court? I mean, damn. You got charged for speeding with no speed on your ticket. The cop can't just make it up when he gets there, nor can he make up another charge to give you. That was a dirk move on his part. I can understand him giving you a ticket, but at least know what you're going to give the ticket for.

Bad luck for getting caught. Good luck for getting caught by a moron.

siriusinvestor · 09-20-2007, 05:09 PM

Go to court and say you were going 28 mph. Your defense is that the cop didn't even write supposed speed, that you were going over the limit for.

mesier1111 · 09-20-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xxballinboi786

i was at a red light, no one around...a few cars pulled up behind me, and alongside me, but no one ahead...i thought, hey i havent used DS mode in a while, why not give it a shot...so i switched to sport mode and accelerated pretty fast to 35 mph and then let go, i looked in my rear view mirror and most of the cars were pretty far backk so i dropped to 30 and kept going...i made the turn for the street to my house and a cop pulls me over [he was at least 3 cars behind me, so even i was speeding, he coouldnt of detected it with his radar]...i had my top down...

officer: hi speed racer
me: excuse me? [i tried to be as polite as possible]
officer: can i see your license and registration
me: yes sir, what did i do wrong?
officer: you dont think you were speeding?
me: no, i only went to 35, i admit i accelerated quickly, but i dont think i was speeding...how fast was i going?
officer: you dont think you were speeding?
me: no officer, i honestly dont...but how fast was i going?
officer: you were going fast
me: can i please get a warning officer?
officer: im not sure what im gonna do yet

15 minutes later he gives me a summons...what do you think i should do?

he didnt charge me with wreckless endangerment [which is what i thought was associated with quick acceleration], but instead with speeding...no speed limit is on the ticket...i dont think he even radared my car...

i really would appreciate if some guys on the forums could hold back the age comments...i really need help, and this isnt a great experience...

That is an easy answer...........fight it. When you have to show up to court say you weren't speeding. State that no speed was listed on the ticket and the device that he used to acquire your speed was also not listed. That one will get thrown out for sure.

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW335icDDS

I bet the cop is jealous of a younger guy in a nicer car than he can afford.

i hope not...it would be a bit sad if that was the case...the people left in charge to keep us safe would put us in distress for such a reason...

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oz

It sounds like you can easily get this ticket dismissed if he didnt state how fast you were going and if he didnt click you. He obviously does not have any proof so I dont see why you should easily get this taken care of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

Go to court? I mean, damn. You got charged for speeding with no speed on your ticket. The cop can't just make it up when he gets there, nor can he make up another charge to give you. That was a dirk move on his part. I can understand him giving you a ticket, but at least know what you're going to give the ticket for.

Bad luck for getting caught. Good luck for getting caught by a moron.

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Originally Posted by siriusinvestor

Go to court and say you were going 28 mph. Your defense is that the cop didn't even write supposed speed, that you were going over the limit for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mesier1111

That is an easy answer...........fight it. When you have to show up to court say you weren't speeding. State that no speed was listed on the ticket and the device that he used to acquire your speed was also not listed. That one will get thrown out for sure.

i hope so guys...its such a relief to hear that...cept my parents are never, ever going to believe that i got a ticket for doing 3-5 miles over the speed limit...

HyperM3 · 09-20-2007, 05:14 PM

By law youre allowed to ask to see the readout on the radar gun. If theres nothing there to read then its not legal. You can even take a pic of it with your camera or cell phone if you want to prove it. Secondly, radar doesnt work from behind. A cop has to pace you from behind to get your speed. Its physically impossible to get a rate of speed from a radar gun from something moving away from you. So if he says he didnt use the gun but paced you, its also impossible for him to have paced you when there were cars in between.

RonPaul4Prez · 09-20-2007, 05:16 PM

While you admitted to the speeding, albeit just a few mph over, a cop can provide adequate evidence to convict for speeding just by sight alone. Cops tend to profile, if you're young and he had the articulable suspicion to make the stop, he may have wanted to just check you out (while glancing through your windows; checking to see if he smelled the odor of alchohol; insurance; etc). If you don't want to get a lawyer, I'd request to pre-try the case with the solicitor before making a plea. Probably the only way you would be able to work something out (not like it matters at 5 mph over). You'd spend more on a lawyer than you will be fined, but it sounds like something that could be easily defended against by one.

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperM3

By law youre allowed to ask to see the readout on the radar gun. If theres nothing there to read then its not legal. You can even take a pic of it with your camera or cell phone if you want to prove it. Secondly, radar doesnt work from behind. A cop has to pace you from behind to get your speed. Its physically impossible to get a rate of speed from a radar gun from something moving away from you. So if he says he didnt use the gun but paced you, its also impossible for him to have paced you when there were cars in between.

am i going to be given a chance to speak? or am i just going to be given an amount to pay when i get there??

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RonPaul4Prez

While you admitted to the speeding, albeit just a few mph over, a cop can provide adequate evidence to convict for speeding just by sight alone. Cops tend to profile, if you're young and he had the articulable suspicion to make the stop, he may have wanted to just check you out (while glancing through your windows; checking to see if he smelled the odor of alchohol; insurance; etc). If you don't want to get a lawyer, I'd request to pre-try the case with the solicitor before making a plea. Probably the only way you would be able to work something out (not like it matters at 5 mph over). You'd spend more on a lawyer than you will be fined, but it sounds like something that could be easily defended against by one.

how much would a lawyer cost? and its not about the fine as much it is about points/insurance

Kev · 09-20-2007, 05:18 PM

That's why in Cantonese, cops are nicknamed "Licensed Thugs"

Don't get me wrong, there are good cops out there, but it only take one bad apple to give the whole force a bad rep.

RonPaul4Prez · 09-20-2007, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxballinboi786

how much would a lawyer cost? and its not about the fine as much it is about points/insurance

Lawyer will probably cost in the area of $500-$1500. You generally get what you pay for. I don't know the rules for NY, but in GA, anything under 14-over doesn't get you points.

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:24 PM

i just looked at the ticket again...under description it says speed not reasonable [thought i should give as good a description of the ticket that i can]

bluebug · 09-20-2007, 05:25 PM

I'd fight it. Maybe you can get it reduced to a non-speeding, no point violation in court.

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bluebug

I'd fight it. How can you get a ticket for wreckless driving if you are going in a straight line? They usually give those for weaving, not signalling when changing lanes, etc.

the ticket was for my "speed not being reasonable"

mesier1111 · 09-20-2007, 05:29 PM

Just ask for a court date, that you are pleading not guilty. You'll go to the court house, the judge comes out, asks you for your side and then if the cop has shown up will ask him for his side. Him saying, "the kid looked like he was going fast" won't hold up. Most likely the cop won't even show up. Either way, you don't need a lawyer, you will be fine. You won't even have to pay a fine. Just dress nice (pants and shirt & shoes) and show respect. Address the judge as your honor, and be honest. In this case you HONESTLY weren't doing anything then wrong other than accelerating fast to 30 on a straight away.

REmember to speak clearly and like an educated man......no worries. Relax, you're fine, don't let this cop intimidate you and bully you into a ticket. You're good

xxballinboi786 · 09-20-2007, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mesier1111

Just ask for a court date, that you are pleading not guilty. You'll go to the court house, the judge comes out, asks you for your side and then if the cop has shown up will ask him for his side. Him saying, "the kid looked like he was going fast" won't hold up. Most likely the cop won't even show up. Either way, you don't need a lawyer, you will be fine. You won't even have to pay a fine. Just dress nice (pants and shirt & shoes) and show respect. Address the judge as your honor, and be honest. In this case you HONESTLY weren't doing anything then wrong other than accelerating fast to 30 on a straight away.

REmember to speak clearly and like an educated man......no worries. Relax, you're fine, don't let this cop intimidate you and bully you into a ticket. You're good

thank you so much...everyone else too...

one more question...if the cop says i was doing a certain speed like 40 or 50 or any other number...he cant just say that and get away with it, he needs proof right?

doc1911 · 09-20-2007, 05:49 PM

Fight it and you don't need a lawyer. A lot of cops wear microphones that go back to thier in-dash cameras. If the cop tries to change the story ask for the audio tape and video tape. That would help prove you asked a few times for the speed and he could not give one. The video will prove that he had 2-3 cars in front of him and did not get a good view of you nor could he pace you.

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xxballinboi786 Captain 446 Rep 734 Posts Drives: Lamborghini Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	I Got A Summons...I Need Your Help... i was at a red light, no one around...a few cars pulled up behind me, and alongside me, but no one ahead...i thought, hey i havent used DS mode in a while, why not give it a shot...so i switched to sport mode and accelerated pretty fast to 35 mph and then let go, i looked in my rear view mirror and most of the cars were pretty far backk so i dropped to 30 and kept going...i made the turn for the street to my house and a cop pulls me over [he was at least 3 cars behind me, so even if was speeding, he coouldnt of detected it with his radar]...i had my top down... officer: hi speed racer me: excuse me? [i tried to be as polite as possible] officer: can i see your license and registration me: yes sir, what did i do wrong? officer: you dont think you were speeding? me: no, i only went to 35, i admit i accelerated quickly, but i dont think i was speeding...how fast was i going? officer: you dont think you were speeding? me: no officer, i honestly dont...but how fast was i going? officer: you were going fast me: can i please get a warning officer? officer: im not sure what im gonna do yet 15 minutes later he gives me a summons...what do you think i should do? he didnt charge me with wreckless endangerment [which is what i thought was associated with quick acceleration], but instead with speeding...no speed limit is on the ticket...i dont think he even radared my car... i really would appreciate if some guys on the forums could hold back the age comments...i really need help, and this isnt a great experience... Last edited by xxballinboi786; 09-20-2007 at 05:21 PM..
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siriusinvestor Captain 67 Rep 873 Posts Drives: 1989 Ugo Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: US iTrader: (2)	Go to court and say you were going 28 mph. Your defense is that the cop didn't even write supposed speed, that you were going over the limit for.
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RonPaul4Prez Private 3 Rep 96 Posts Drives: BMW 335i coupe Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia iTrader: (1)	While you admitted to the speeding, albeit just a few mph over, a cop can provide adequate evidence to convict for speeding just by sight alone. Cops tend to profile, if you're young and he had the articulable suspicion to make the stop, he may have wanted to just check you out (while glancing through your windows; checking to see if he smelled the odor of alchohol; insurance; etc). If you don't want to get a lawyer, I'd request to pre-try the case with the solicitor before making a plea. Probably the only way you would be able to work something out (not like it matters at 5 mph over). You'd spend more on a lawyer than you will be fined, but it sounds like something that could be easily defended against by one.
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Kev Critical Care Anesthesiologist 482 Rep 8,828 Posts Drives: SMB F83 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (24) Garage List 2009 Porsche 911 Ca ... [9.50]	That's why in Cantonese, cops are nicknamed "Licensed Thugs" Don't get me wrong, there are good cops out there, but it only take one bad apple to give the whole force a bad rep. __________________ kev { divinum est sedate dolorem } "your friendly neighborhood critical care anesthesiologist"
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xxballinboi786 Captain 446 Rep 734 Posts Drives: Lamborghini Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	i just looked at the ticket again...under description it says speed not reasonable [thought i should give as good a description of the ticket that i can]
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bluebug Private 6 Rep 78 Posts Drives: E90 335 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	I'd fight it. Maybe you can get it reduced to a non-speeding, no point violation in court.
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mesier1111 Banned 38 Rep 1,626 Posts Drives: 335i coupe, titanium Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA iTrader: (0)	Just ask for a court date, that you are pleading not guilty. You'll go to the court house, the judge comes out, asks you for your side and then if the cop has shown up will ask him for his side. Him saying, "the kid looked like he was going fast" won't hold up. Most likely the cop won't even show up. Either way, you don't need a lawyer, you will be fine. You won't even have to pay a fine. Just dress nice (pants and shirt & shoes) and show respect. Address the judge as your honor, and be honest. In this case you HONESTLY weren't doing anything then wrong other than accelerating fast to 30 on a straight away. REmember to speak clearly and like an educated man......no worries. Relax, you're fine, don't let this cop intimidate you and bully you into a ticket. You're good
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doc1911 First Lieutenant 46 Rep 361 Posts Drives: Sold my 335i and looking Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pinehurst, NC iTrader: (0)	Fight it and you don't need a lawyer. A lot of cops wear microphones that go back to thier in-dash cameras. If the cop tries to change the story ask for the audio tape and video tape. That would help prove you asked a few times for the speed and he could not give one. The video will prove that he had 2-3 cars in front of him and did not get a good view of you nor could he pace you.
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