[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

Bigot.
Just kidding.
You will accept it as is or the gulag awaits


The grille should be larger, and the weight should be greater, in my opinion. I don't see why not. Styling and safety?

Having owned a G80, I loved the looks of it. Sure it could've lost 300lbs and a DCT to replace the ZF8 all with AWD to boot, but that won't happen.

I've driven many cars and part of the fun is how they handle rather than simply acceleration and raw power. My current car, a 2022 Boxster GTS makes less power but has no turbos, is incredibly direct, you feel everything (in a good way) and most importantly, it's fun at all speeds. I didn't get that with my M3 sadly despite liking the car.

I know you're being funny, but I'm worried at what BMW is turning into and I have generally liked most of their design language sans the split headlights.

[sikotic]

So this would be the I4M Gran Coupe? Making it a step up over the I4M50?

That would put this close to 700hp range?

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by Dr.Deep

It somehow is a good analogy, but at the same time it's not. There are two big huge factors that make the difference here.
One main reason that mechanical watches are that much desired is hand craftsmanship, rarity and thst they are mainly high luxury goods.

But the even bigger factor are governments and regulations. Nobody forced watch manufacturers to build digital watches, it was driven by new technology and possibilities to have more features in a watch, in the end people realized that they don't need all this on their wrists.

But car manufacturers are forced by regulations and governments to go the EV way. They would be more than happy to go on with loud and high volume engines and just make a lot of money without having to invest in new facilities and manufacturing tools and processes. But the world has changed, so cars are changing….

This analogy isn't complete yet, because the digital watch would have to be twice the weight of a conventional time piece.

A fully electric M car is still years away, but perhaps Clarkson said it best when testing an i8 with an F80. The F80 was the world's best type writer, and the i8 was the first lap top. Even in its infant state, it was beyond the abilities of a typewriter.

I don't know, we'll see where this all goes.

[clutchdj]

Ok they fixed the lines on this car and clearly cleaned it up.
Especially the sides. Good transitions into the fender flares. very good!!
Looks better than a g80 to me!
Going to stop there 😁

[TractionControlDelete]

It's really strange to see an electric car with front grills. Cooling of the batteries?

[Nahlem]

Interesting so in about 5 years that is kinda consistent with the next evolution of battery tech, so we will see lighter weight with range about 500 km in a car like this due to the performance and probably even better dynamics then before due to the balancing and weight being below. Probably gonna be my next switch after the M50.

They would also probably be able to be selective if its quad engine meaning four smaller engines would give the driver the ability to switch between RWD, AWD or FWD for whatever reason you would want FWD.

That would translate to at least 650+ km in a "regular" none M car or an M-Performance car. So they hiding something from us here. I'm thinking we are probably gonna see the first iteration of some form of solid state batteries here, one could hope obviously nothing is for certain but that would be a great way to celebrate its arrival in a proper good way. And i doubt it will be the M4 we will see as shown here or at least the design will have changed by that time probably. Sense cars like these are planned 5-10 years in advance.

Exiting times indeed.

[mr_z4mc1m_oz]

Here in Australia they were only saying on the news yesterday that our electrical power supply is at critical levels and only expected to worsen over the next few years. What's going up happen when everyone plugs in their cars at night to charge, when we can't even keep lights and air conditioning on 🤔

[itf joegun]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

This analogy isn't complete yet, because the digital watch would have to be twice the weight of a conventional time piece.

A fully electric M car is still years away, but perhaps Clarkson said it best when testing an i8 with an F80. The F80 was the world's best type writer, and the i8 was the first lap top. Even in its infant state, it was beyond the abilities of a typewriter.

I don't know, we'll see where this all goes.

The question is: Isn‘t the typewriter enough to fulfill the purpose? What do we really need if we decide for an M car? Emotions, performance, stability, safety! All that you get also with the traditional mix and combustion engines. Who needs all the new fancy features of an EV in that segment? I do not see in which direction this can be a win for they enthusiastic buyer. It is just Zeitgeist to decide for an EV as an M car, not an advantage.

[karlrich1010]

Originally Posted by CurbBender'90

You mean to tell me your not going to fix the front end design when you have a chance to recourse? Say no more BMW

The current front end is obviously selling quite well otherwise im sure they would have revised it

[chris719]

Originally Posted by mr_z4mc1m_oz

Here in Australia they were only saying on the news yesterday that our electrical power supply is at critical levels and only expected to worsen over the next few years. What's going up happen when everyone plugs in their cars at night to charge, when we can't even keep lights and air conditioning on 🤔

It's going to have to be funded and solved. It's not an intractable problem, just one without funding right now in many places. Once the donor class has to endure rolling blackouts they will build infrastructure.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by itf joegun

The question is: Isn‘t the typewriter enough to fulfill the purpose? What do we really need if we decide for an M car? Emotions, performance, stability, safety! All that you get also with the traditional mix and combustion engines. Who needs all the new fancy features of an EV in that segment? I do not see in which direction this can be a win for they enthusiastic buyer. It is just Zeitgeist to decide for an EV as an M car, not an advantage.

Why give up before experiencing it and trying? Most EV have not even tried to be actual sports cars.

Let's be honest. Most BMWs are already fat, numb, and have fake sound, so why not skip the turbo lag and just go all the way?

Originally Posted by karlrich1010

The current front end is obviously selling quite well otherwise im sure they would have revised it

I'm not so sure about that. The car sells because it's good. I don't think the front end is scaring people away, but I doubt it's dropping any jaws and bringing in people on looks alone. They are committed to this language for a while, they would never turn back this fast even if the sales were bad.

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by chris719

I'm not so sure about that. The car sells because it's good. I don't think the front end is scaring people away, but I doubt it's dropping any jaws and bringing in people on looks alone. They are committed to this language for a while, they would never turn back this fast even if the sales were bad.

While i wasnt sold on the looks on release and couldnt imagine buying this car at first, i did later on.
And yes, there are few (yes, few) who still dislike the front end when they see my M4. Most really like it and it has absolutely better feedback in terms of looks than my previous M2c had.
I agree, the front isnt for everyone. But dont underestimate the amount of ppl who still very much like it. It sells well.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mr_z4mc1m_oz

Here in Australia they were only saying on the news yesterday that our electrical power supply is at critical levels and only expected to worsen over the next few years. What's going up happen when everyone plugs in their cars at night to charge, when we can't even keep lights and air conditioning on 🤔

It's a pipe dream. The whole EV fantasy is packaged and sold to any/everybody who will buy into it, but it isn't designed to ever see fruition (…just like California's "Bullet Train").

Originally Posted by chris719

It's going to have to be funded and solved. It's not an intractable problem, just one without funding right now in many places. Once the donor class has to endure rolling blackouts they will build infrastructure.

The donor class will never endure rolling black outs. Don't be silly!

[Limegrntaln]

So, is this an iM3, an Mi3 or an M3i?

[DeeKay]

Originally Posted by CurbBender'90

You mean to tell me your not going to fix the front end design when you have a chance to recourse? Say no more BMW

The BMW i4 is a crazy design. Electric car that doesn't need a grill at all, but has one of the biggest in the lineup 😂🤣

[james550imanual]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

This is inevitable. Once they can figure out how to manage the weight, all the high performance cars will be EV. The taycan is only the beginning.

Originally Posted by Luminor513

This is inevitable. Once they can figure out how to manage the weight, all the high performance cars will be EV. The taycan is only the beginning.

Preach. No one realizes how many billions of dollars OEMs have finally but into EV's, and accelerated in part due to Tesla's success. No oem is really investing in ICE anymore

While I'm not ready for an EV yet, I'm just excited that OEMs finally decided to compete with Tesla..maybe that will shut up the Tesla fanboys 😂

[claudioagmfilho]

Fast sport cars with no engine noise, are like a pizza without it's sauce. This could hurt BMW. BMW is known worldwide due to their quality engines and their engine noises, there is a pseudosexuality to sports car noise that appeals to a particular consumer demographic, that true passion that comes alive when you hear the engine. But if there is no noise, than there is no passion to be kept alive? Not to all of us, but to almost all of us.
What I mean by that is that, sport cars may die as they become electric. Further down the line, cars will be like electricity, you ask for it and will come for you. Further down the line even, you won't be allowed to drive anymore, only at a private area, it will be a hobby to drive, since you're putting other people's lives in danger, based on your decisions with your car on the road etc. Cars will be auto-driven...

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

Bigot.
Just kidding.
You will accept it as is or the gulag awaits


The grille should be larger, and the weight should be greater, in my opinion. I don't see why not. Styling and safety?

Not for the pedestrians or cyclists it's going to hit….

[DavidXJ]

Originally Posted by mr_z4mc1m_oz

Here in Australia they were only saying on the news yesterday that our electrical power supply is at critical levels and only expected to worsen over the next few years. What's going up happen when everyone plugs in their cars at night to charge, when we can't even keep lights and air conditioning on 🤔

Indeed. Looking forward to the covert revival of the ICE as Europe moves toward domestic electricity rationing this winter. Here in the UK, we're just signing off on a new nuclear plant--but its benefits for the energy infrastructure won't be felt for a decade. EVangelicals need to get a handle on what, in practice, sustainability might actually mean for a household that may have to choose between turning on the washing machine or recharging the car...

[GOLFFRR]

make it as fast as the plaid!

[Fenerbahce]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

These cars will be too heavy and not enjoyable. Vehicle dynamics are about more than how fast a car goes around a track. The feedback, chassis/steering feel and crisp handling is what matters in a sports car. I don't want a pig weighing 4-5000lbs, I was a light, nimble car that has ample power, but is communicative.

With battery technology continually improving, we may eventually see days where electric cars are lighter than their gas counterparts. Engines and tranmissions are heavy, so if they can crank up the energy density in batteries while continueing to lighten motors, overall weight could possibly go down. However, it's unlikely we'll ever having the same level of engagement, emotion, and pleasure in driving.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by chris719

Why give up before experiencing it and trying? Most EV have not even tried to be actual sports cars.

Let's be honest. Most BMWs are already fat, numb, and have fake sound, so why not skip the turbo lag and just go all the way?

I'm not so sure about that. The car sells because it's good. I don't think the front end is scaring people away, but I doubt it's dropping any jaws and bringing in people on looks alone. They are committed to this language for a while, they would never turn back this fast even if the sales were bad.

Lots of people got stuck in the 90s hair styles, can't blame em….. lol… the grill is today folks, if you want the classic look, there are tons of f80s to buy, and don't forget to join the classic car clubs while at it