[weaksauce]

Originally Posted by chris s

Simply saying i don't see where a true M3 enthusiast would get excited about a car like that. Not in the slightest.

So you are saying if you are excited about this car, you are not a true M3 enthusiast?

[Kurt_OH]

I much prefer the sound and immediate response of a NA engine; turbo motors are inferior - so I wholly reject the ridiculous claim in the ad that the engine is a selling point. It's another in a seeming endless stream of characterless commodity engines. Just like without looking, you'd never know if your M5 had a BMW engine or a Cadillac CTS-V mill under the hood.

Compare that to the S65/S85 experience.

As for the looks, I wouldn't say it's significantly uglier than the new 3/4 series. But, beauty is in the eye, right?

RS5 or a CPO 911S are WAY ahead of this thing.

[atopa2002]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

RS5 or a CPO 911S are WAY ahead of this thing.

I don't understand why people compare a used car to a newly released or a new car, you've never been bitten or burnt buy a used car before I guess.

[Denk]

Asian styling kills it for me no matter what's under the hood...too overstated/gaudy. I'm a fan of the Euro designers.

[dparm]

They have not said that the Eau Rouge is going into production. It is a concept and it COULD be produced in some form.

If they do build it, you can expect an M5-like sticker price. There's no way they'd price it way under the current GT-R.

[italia]

Eau Rouge. Red Water.

[swartzentruber]

Originally Posted by dparm

They have not said that the Eau Rouge is going into production. It is a concept and it COULD be produced in some form.

If they do build it, you can expect an M5-like sticker price. There's no way they'd price it way under the current GT-R.

If it's based on the Q50, that's 3/4 series size, and I can't imagine Infiniti getting M5 money for something in the 3 series class. I would imagine Infiniti might think of using the higher HP as their selling point to try to capture share from the M3/M4, IS-F, etc.

Also, to the prior poster referencing Infiniti's F1 participation, the majority of that has actually been as an advertiser with the Red Bull car, not as an actual technical partner. In fact, the expertise has been flowing the other way, in that Seb supposedly helped Infiniti with suspension tuning on the Q50. I guess it's been money well spent if people are starting to think Infiniti has a racing heritage now.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by swartzentruber

If it's based on the Q50, that's 3/4 series size, and I can't imagine Infiniti getting M5 money for something in the 3 series class. I would imagine Infiniti might think of using the higher HP as their selling point to try to capture share from the M3/M4, IS-F, etc.

Also, to the prior poster referencing Infiniti's F1 participation, the majority of that has actually been as an advertiser with the Red Bull car, not as an actual technical partner. In fact, the expertise has been flowing the other way, in that Seb supposedly helped Infiniti with suspension tuning on the Q50. I guess it's been money well spent if people are starting to think Infiniti has a racing heritage now.

That is called marketing, something that BMW M (because of BMW AG?) is doing for a few years now. No big difference now.

[TXSTYLE]

MOAR!

[TXSTYLE]

Daddy Likes...!

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by atopa2002

I don't understand why people compare a used car to a newly released or a new car,

I listed what I thought were superior alternatives at similar price to a new M3, which is kind of where this discussion was traveling. Bottom line: that car has little appeal to me at $50k and none at a price where is competing with any ///M or other interesting car such as RS5.

you've never been bitten or burnt buy a used car before I guess.

True. I'd like to think I could pull off such an expensive purchase successfully but there's no guarantee. I can't imagine going from an E9x M3 to that.

[RR-NYC]

I really like the way the Q50 looks and this is even more attractive.

The back looks great in the pic above but the one I saw online, not so much. Maybe it's the lighting and shadows but the exhaust and the dark area closer to the end look horrible together.

[majin ssj eric]

Originally Posted by RR-NYC

I really like the way the Q50 looks and this is even more attractive.

The back looks great in the pic above but the one I saw online, not so much. Maybe it's the lighting and shadows but the exhaust and the dark area closer to the end look horrible together.

The lighting makes all the difference!

[wisesoul]

Production car will probably not be anything like the concept. GTR AWD system (except for gearbox) and engine are $$$. Good luck pricing this thing even with an M5, E63 RS7 etc because the GTR already costs 100k. What is essentially a 4 door luxury GTR will not be sub 100k. I love the idea of this car, just doubt the execution will be exquisite as this.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by wisesoul

Production car will probably not be anything like the concept. GTR AWD system (except for gearbox) and engine are $$$. Good luck pricing this thing even with an M5, E63 RS7 etc because the GTR already costs 100k. What is essentially a 4 door luxury GTR will not be sub 100k. I love the idea of this car, just doubt the execution will be exquisite as this.

In Germany base prices:

M5: 103.000 €
911 S: 105.000 €
GT-R: 95.000 €

The Q50 Eau Rouge can cost less than the GT-R. It only uses some GT-R hardware but unlike the GT-R is not built from scratch, but is based on the Q50. Again, the Q50 ER is just a concept. However it shows that plus to Mercedes C AMG, Audi RS4/5, Lexus IS/RC F, the yet to come but obvious Jaguar XE-R, also Infiniti can be competitive, and the M3/M4 is no more the best car by a large margin.

[RR-NYC]

Originally Posted by Levi

In Germany base prices:

M5: 103.000 €
911 S: 105.000 €
GT-R: 95.000 €

The Q50 Eau Rouge can cost less than the GT-R. It only uses some GT-R hardware but unlike the GT-R is not built from scratch, but is based on the Q50. Again, the Q50 ER is just a concept. However it shows that plus to Mercedes C AMG, Audi RS4/5, Lexus IS/RC F, the yet to come but obvious Jaguar XE-R, also Infiniti can be competitive, and the M3/M4 is no more the best car by a large margin.

Good grief those cars are expensive over there!

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by RR-NYC

Good grief those cars are expensive over there!

Don't forget they include a 16.5% VAT.

[RR-NYC]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Don't forget they include a 16.5% VAT.

I forget that their prices include VAT

[wisesoul]

Originally Posted by Levi

In Germany base prices:

M5: 103.000 €
911 S: 105.000 €
GT-R: 95.000 €

The Q50 Eau Rouge can cost less than the GT-R. It only uses some GT-R hardware but unlike the GT-R is not built from scratch, but is based on the Q50. Again, the Q50 ER is just a concept. However it shows that plus to Mercedes C AMG, Audi RS4/5, Lexus IS/RC F, the yet to come but obvious Jaguar XE-R, also Infiniti can be competitive, and the M3/M4 is no more the best car by a large margin.

If it is cheaper than the GTR, I highly doubt it would have a GTR drivetrain. Expect a hopped up 3.7 or a V8 from the M56 with some tweaks. It would not make sense for them to sell it sub 80 because it would steal the thunder from the R35. I hope I am wrong because this car would be badass. In regards to your last statement, we don't know that yet. Power for power, perhaps, but we don't even know how the M3/M4 are dynamically yet.

[Year's_End]

The styling is so inconsistent.

[hellrotm]

Some media outlets are throwing a figure of $75,000.

[BMW269]

If this car will be limited, it will cost a lot more. If not it will have surely have less power and be cheaper.

Also, one has to consider, by the time this car hits the market, if ever, there will be a new GT-R R36 with new tech. So tech wise this Q50 ER is outdated.

Tking of the Volvo S40 Polestar, the prototype made 500 PS from its 3.0l I6 and costed more than 200.000 € (forgot the price), the production version, still limited, was less powerful and costed much less, but was only sold in Australia.