[adrian1480]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Agreed, I think people here with BMW's( especially the teens as their first car) are expecting too much out of a $22K vehicle( the base Camaro).

I disagree. There are plenty of inexpensive cars that are laid out well. PLENTY.

The issue is that this is not one of them. It's not that it has plastic in it...almost all cars have plastic. It's how it's appointed. It's how it's placed. It's how it makes things look. It looks like GM forced the designers to stare at the old Camaro such that they couldn't take it to another for the creative blocks.

There are ways to take old queues and appointments and apply them to a new vision in a way that retains elements. I feel they did that effectively on the interior. Looks sufficiently new and hot, while remaining unmistakably a blood-heir to the 60s Camaro's. That level of creativity and brilliance seen on the outside didn't make it inside the vehicle. This is why people are frustrated. It just doesn't make me feel like I was expecting it to. And no, I don't have the OMG BMW chip on my shoulder. My first car was a Focus. We've had nothing but GM and Ford cars in the family. No snob here. They simply disappointed me with their use of space on the dash, instrument panels and central console. It's ass...and it should not have been.

I was very close to making this my next vehicle. not so much now. and I'm very disappointed about that. My final judgment, however, will be reserved for seeing it in a showroom.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by adrian1480

I disagree. There are plenty of inexpensive cars that are laid out well. PLENTY.

The issue is that this is not one of them. It's not that it has plastic in it...almost all cars have plastic. It's how it's appointed. It's how it's placed. It's how it makes things look. It looks like GM forced the designers to stare at the old Camaro such that they couldn't take it to another for the creative blocks.

There are ways to take old queues and appointments and apply them to a new vision in a way that retains elements. I feel they did that effectively on the interior. Looks sufficiently new and hot, while remaining unmistakably a blood-heir to the 60s Camaro's. That level of creativity and brilliance seen on the outside didn't make it inside the vehicle. This is why people are frustrated. It just doesn't make me feel like I was expecting it to. And no, I don't have the OMG BMW chip on my shoulder. My first car was a Focus. We've had nothing but GM and Ford cars in the family. No snob here. They simply disappointed me with their use of space on the dash, instrument panels and central console. It's ass...and it should not have been.

I was very close to making this my next vehicle. not so much now. and I'm very disappointed about that. My final judgment, however, will be reserved for seeing it in a showroom.

Again it is a retro interior. More so then they made the exterior. But, there is nothing I can argue if you don't like the design itself.

[rubber_ducky]

Originally Posted by adrian1480

I disagree. There are plenty of inexpensive cars that are laid out well. PLENTY.

The issue is that this is not one of them. It's not that it has plastic in it...almost all cars have plastic. It's how it's appointed. It's how it's placed. It's how it makes things look. It looks like GM forced the designers to stare at the old Camaro such that they couldn't take it to another for the creative blocks.

There are ways to take old queues and appointments and apply them to a new vision in a way that retains elements. I feel they did that effectively on the interior. Looks sufficiently new and hot, while remaining unmistakably a blood-heir to the 60s Camaro's. That level of creativity and brilliance seen on the outside didn't make it inside the vehicle. This is why people are frustrated. It just doesn't make me feel like I was expecting it to. And no, I don't have the OMG BMW chip on my shoulder. My first car was a Focus. We've had nothing but GM and Ford cars in the family. No snob here. They simply disappointed me with their use of space on the dash, instrument panels and central console. It's ass...and it should not have been.

I was very close to making this my next vehicle. not so much now. and I'm very disappointed about that. My final judgment, however, will be reserved for seeing it in a showroom.

I haven't sat in one myself just yet (didn't feel like waiting in a queue at the auto show), but I can't imagine the dash layout is that horrendous. The gauges ahead of the shifter are for nostalgic styling purposes only and, IMO, shouldn't be factored into the assessment. Otherwise, it looks like a no-frills driver's dash. That being said, the quality of the materials is likely the only thing worth complaining about.

[MrRoboto]

I think that is part of the problem. I dont think the interior matches the exterior.

Interior is important to some of us as it is what you are going to be when you drive.

[gonzo]

Just apply extra high gloss Armor All to all that plastic and the glare will make it better.

I don't love the interior by any means but it would not be a deal killer for this car @ low 30's with all the performance.

An idea would be to have the large pieces done over in leather. Not cheap but not an absurd cost either. The acres of plastic are really the only bit of oops to me.

[adrian1480]

^ why does that picture look much better to me? lol

I still would have liked to see more done with the center console, and the plastic on the bottom bar of the steering wheel is f'ing killing me, but the rest looks acceptable to me now. Not that it couldn't still look much, much better...but I could live with the look now.

I'd like to see the silver plastic pieces replaced with real metal or chrome. I think that would enhance my opinion on it greatly.

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

I think that is part of the problem. I dont think the interior matches the exterior.

Interior is important to some of us as it is what you are going to be when you drive.

agree. I just think they could have been more creative with how they used the old-school stylings on the inside to make it look more modern and retro at the same time. I know they could have.

[BoostedBMW]

Cool looking car... this is probably the most modern looking of all the retro-inspired muscle cars. I still like the bloated look of the challenger the best, but for a camaro I think it looks good. It just needs a drop and some serious spacers like all domestic sports cars.

[LiKWiD335xi]

95% of Chevys are still on the road.

The other 5% made it home.

[ChrisV]

Originally Posted by LiKWiD335xi

95% of Chevys are still on the road.

The other 5% made it home.

That joke was old when it was being used to describe MGs.

[Couch]

My cousin works at a Chevy dealer and sent me a text yesterday with a pic of the Camaro. They received 4, two are pre-sold and two are for the showroom.

He didn't like it at all, but now he's seen it in person and says he loves it.

[gonzo]

^ Is he in H Town? The two on the floor are not for sale?

[gonzo]

^

[Dmitriy@AUTOcouture]

Guys do you hear yourselves? You are asking a near bankrupt auto manufacturer to produce higher end interiors! Do you think that even if they wanted to, they could right now? Its financially impossible and incorrect.

They are trying to get themselves back on their feet and are obviously not doing too great of a job at it - I think that the interior of this car should be the last thing on the mind of a potential buyer, while the question of whether or not the warranty will still be there in a year should be the first.

[Cris]

Originally Posted by gonzo

^

They're like our little blocks on each end of our 6-pot calipers - they're there to reduce vibrations.

[ptack]

I sat in one just last week along with a couple of Challangers, Mustangs and lots of other cars at the NY Autoshow. All 3 American muscle cars are filled with rather inexpensive plastic, but then they're rather inexpensive cars. What struck me most about the Camaro is how cramped it is inside for such a large coupe. The seat doesn't go down enough or far enough back for me. The visibility out is seriously bad. God help anyone trying to learn how to park one of these in a tight spot. You have no idea where the corners are. The smart thing Chevy did was bring 4 of these to the Autoshow as there were a lot of people wanting to check it out. They will probably sell relatively well.

By comparison, stupid Hyundai only had 1 Genesis coupe and it was on a revolving platform so you couldn't even get close to it. Made you wonder what they were thinking.
In fact a couple of the manufacturers seemed locked into the "we are stupid mindset" for either not bringing they're best cars (Suburu) or not letting people into the ones they brought (Mitsubishi - Evo and VW - GTI). At least the American companies were working hard for the audience.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Cris

They're like our little blocks on each end of our 6-pot calipers - they're there to reduce vibrations.

They look like wheels weights....

[rcracer_tx]

Originally Posted by gonzo

They look like wheels weights....

[mtla4]

Like someone said in this thread I laugh each and everytime I hear about plastics quite frankly Ive never touched my 1er dash since Ive over it execpt with a microfiber cloth. Brembo, LSD, 426 hp, NO ELITIST STIGMA= sounds like a winner. On top of that GMAC always has a promotion when it comes to financing. The dealers are easier to deal with you can chit-chat with the guys over there(from the guys that washes cars to the delivery guys) I kinda miss since I own the Bmw. I used to go to audi with my GT28RS turbo, coilovers etc there were no issues and we were chatting about cars. You dont need a stereo or BS in those camaro's and stang...just have to open the windows and listen to the engine. I still like my 1er but I cant wait to test drive the camaro if its good...Ill take a bath and dump the 1er. Frankly I wont miss the 1er Im a DIY and like to mod my cars....theres no support concerning tuning of most forums(including audi) I miss the budget racers of honda-tech and so I just wished Bmw forums were more like that. I know the camaro forums are like that.

[Brandon26pdx]

Not my bag of tricks (im more a 370Z or 135i type) but I've no doubt it will be a hit and sell like hotcakes.

[Couch]

Originally Posted by gonzo

^ Is he in H Town? The two on the floor are not for sale?

He is. He said 2 of the 4 were not for sale (at least not currently).

It's the dealer off of 290. I noticed last night he had pics on his facebook, and it appears that after he text me they delievered quite a number more than just the first 4.

As far as visibility, I'll look forward to checking out myself. But the Gen4 was a bit odd to look out of, but you become acustom like anything else.

[gonzo]

OK.

They are popping up on Auto Trader. Black SS 6speed is on for 35 something. Gray interior. Then there is a joker wanting 5 over.

[oilcrankinject]

I dont know about you but all I see is more GM bland styling, I mean look at the interior, YUCK.



I consider this just to be more UAW built JUNK from a company that is about to be bankrupt because all than make is crap. I bought my BMW because it was built so much better than any car that either Ford, GM, or Chylser aks UAW could offer.