E90Post
 


 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion > EVO - Greatest ever ///M-Car



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-14-2007, 04:10 AM   #1
Steved
Lieutenant
Steved's Avatar
United Kingdom
50
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: M3 CSL, AMG ML63, B7 RS4 Avant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England

iTrader: (0)

EVO - Greatest ever ///M-Car

The magazine has landed on doormats this morning and the conclusions presented. I am sure it will provide plenty of debate as to whether the right car won, as well as where the E92 M3 fits within the greats.

Here's a few pics for now, but will be back on line to discuss later.



Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 04:20 AM   #2
MI6
The World is Not Enough
MI6's Avatar
United_States
166
Rep
1,088
Posts

Drives: Aston DBS-R
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Skyfall

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post
The magazine has landed on doormats this morning and the conclusions presented. I am sure it will provide plenty of debate as to whether the right car won, as well as where the E92 M3 fits within the greats.

Here's a few pics for now, but will be back on line to discuss later.



Nice pics!

So................which is your fav Steved?
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 04:36 AM   #3
Steved
Lieutenant
Steved's Avatar
United Kingdom
50
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: M3 CSL, AMG ML63, B7 RS4 Avant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England

iTrader: (0)

I came away from the test concluding that I already owned the best M-car. The CSL is a very hard act to follow, as BMW have already found that it's very hard to follow on from the E30 M3. Hopefully BMW will manage to do so with the E92 CSL.

The E92 M3 when compared in such illustrious company came out as being a great car, but not the greatest M-car.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 04:57 AM   #4
m_bazeepaymon
Major
58
Rep
1,075
Posts

Drives: 2008 E92 335i
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (4)

damn...
btw i dont see the e92 m3 in any of the pics lol
unless its that late and I am blind
__________________


ZzZzZ'er
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 05:03 AM   #5
DonM3
Captain
United Kingdom
8
Rep
629
Posts

Drives: AW e92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London

iTrader: (1)

Its in the first pic right at the back


Quote:
Originally Posted by m_bazeepaymon View Post
damn...
btw i dont see the e92 m3 in any of the pics lol
unless its that late and I am blind
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 05:36 AM   #6
ILC32
Lieutenant
ILC32's Avatar
26
Rep
580
Posts

Drives: 1993 Porsche RSA
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post
I came away from the test concluding that I already owned the best M-car. The CSL is a very hard act to follow, as BMW have already found that it's very hard to follow on from the E30 M3. Hopefully BMW will manage to do so with the E92 CSL.

The E92 M3 when compared in such illustrious company came out as being a great car, but not the greatest M-car.
It's hard to be surprised at this result.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=32

In my opinion, I own the greatest M car ever!
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 06:01 AM   #7
888
I'm takin' the day off.
888's Avatar
South Africa
109
Rep
339
Posts

Drives: M
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 888 View Post
1st E30 M3
2nd E46 CSL
3rd Z4 M coupe
4th E92 M3

M1 wild card??
How close was I??? More info PLZ. thanks for the pics.

__________________
If I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 06:10 AM   #8
JEllis
Major General
JEllis's Avatar
529
Rep
5,498
Posts

Drives: E36 M3, E92 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth

iTrader: (4)

If the E30 M3 didnt get the greatest M car of all time then something is wrong.

Jason
__________________
http://www.m3post.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic14547_7.gif
Instagram: jellismotorwerks
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 06:18 AM   #9
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
245
Rep
4,227
Posts

Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
These teasers hurt! Anyone got scans?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 09:21 AM   #10
Steved
Lieutenant
Steved's Avatar
United Kingdom
50
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: M3 CSL, AMG ML63, B7 RS4 Avant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 888 View Post
How close was I??? More info PLZ. thanks for the pics.

1st place was given to the E30 M3 EVO, 2nd to the M3 CSL and 3rd to the E39 M5. The M1 made the final 4 (out of 13) ahead of all the modern M-cars.

The E92 M3 was then compared with the Top-4 to see how it fared, however it was concluded that whilst a great BMW, it was not as great an M-car as the Top-3. These are icons and the E92 M3 would need to raise its game a little further to achieve the same status.

We did feel though that the E92 M3 was the best modern day M-car, way ahead of the M5 and M6.

If you ask me what's missing in the E92 M3, I would have to say it was 'driver involvement' that marked it down. I personally found it a great deal of fun, but when compared to something like the E46 M3 CSL or E30 M3 EVO it is far too remote.

Clearly it does provide a far better balance between daily driver and sports car than either of those two.

A couple of sentences from the text when comparing M3 CSL with E92 M3; "Apart from anything else, it looks the absolute nuts, a drum-taut, hard-muscled object lesson in aesthetic warfare against which the E92 M3 comes across about as tough as a platoon of jelly babies. Sounds awesome too,"

Then a few more when concluding about why the E30 M3 won; "...it's the E30 that beats them all. It wins because it does more with less and destroys the idea (apparently at the core of BMW M thinking these days) that if power is good, more power must be better. If that were the case the E92 M3 - which on paper is a best-of-all-worlds solution, with its old-school M5-esque V8, M3 size and supercar pace - would represent the very pinnacle of the M Division's achievements. But the touch of the master belongs to a different era."
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 09:32 AM   #11
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
245
Rep
4,227
Posts

Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post

We did feel though that the E92 M3 was the best modern day M-car, way ahead of the M5 and M6.
Can you elaborate anymore on this topic?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 09:39 AM   #12
Steved
Lieutenant
Steved's Avatar
United Kingdom
50
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: M3 CSL, AMG ML63, B7 RS4 Avant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Epacy View Post
Can you elaborate anymore on this topic?
Both M5 and M6 feel remote and lack interaction, they are fast but there's very little fun to be had driving them. I drove the M6 during this test for a few hundred miles and was bored and had little wish to drive it again. The SMG system is slower than SMG2 in my CSL and does not allow the driver to blip the throttle on downchanges. You struggle to boot it sideways out of a junction, since the torque just isn't delivered strongly until higher up the rev range. It all feels very undriver centric when compared with other M-cars.

The E92 M3 on the other hand feels like it is cut from the same block as the iconic M-cars, however it still relies a little too much on technology and compared to the greats, there still feels like there is a layer of tech in between driver and the road. Maybe that's progress, but I would really like to drive an E92 M3 without EDC and kept as simple in spec as possibe, since I suspect that might be the best way to have it.

So the E92 M3 is close to being great and could easily become one of the greats in a less-GT, more driver focused version.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 09:57 AM   #13
lucid
Major General
lucid's Avatar
United_States
374
Rep
8,033
Posts

Drives: E30 M3; Expedition
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post
Maybe that's progress, but I would really like to drive an E92 M3 without EDC and kept as simple in spec as possibe,
Thanks for the impressions. I take it that you have not had a chance to do the above? Have you heard anything from BMW about what the non-EDC suspension setup will be like?
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:01 AM   #14
Steved
Lieutenant
Steved's Avatar
United Kingdom
50
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: M3 CSL, AMG ML63, B7 RS4 Avant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucid View Post
Thanks for the impressions. I take it that you have not had a chance to do the above? Have you heard anything from BMW about what the non-EDC suspension setup will be like?
Not yet, but I am aware of several customers who have specced their cars without EDC, so will be looking to gather their impressions in the near future. All the press/demo cars however have been built 'with' EDC.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:02 AM   #15
888
I'm takin' the day off.
888's Avatar
South Africa
109
Rep
339
Posts

Drives: M
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

thanks mate.

Thanks for all the reports steved.

From what I read will I be wrong in assuming that for the average enthusiast the new M is 100% perfect?? As an enthusiast but not a very good driver I was never happy with my M coupe and I preferred the comfort of a regular M3 over the CSL. I have driven the new M3 and from my limited time behind the wheel I must say I am very happy.

__________________
If I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:03 AM   #16
888
I'm takin' the day off.
888's Avatar
South Africa
109
Rep
339
Posts

Drives: M
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucid View Post
Thanks for the impressions. I take it that you have not had a chance to do the above? Have you heard anything from BMW about what the non-EDC suspension setup will be like?

BMW has stated that no EDC and 18” is the purist option.
__________________
If I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:07 AM   #17
Steved
Lieutenant
Steved's Avatar
United Kingdom
50
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: M3 CSL, AMG ML63, B7 RS4 Avant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: England

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 888 View Post
Thanks for all the reports steved.

From what I read will I be wrong in assuming that for the average enthusiast the new M is 100% perfect?? As an enthusiast but not a very good driver I was never happy with my M coupe and I preferred the comfort of a regular M3 over the CSL. I have driven the new M3 and from my limited time behind the wheel I must say I am very happy.

I would agree with that. Some people have driven the new M3 and were dissapointed to find it was not a monster, whilst others have driven it and said it was 'everything' they always wanted in an M-car. I think its a better all round M-car than the E46 M3, and would certainly have chosen the E92 M3 rather than the E46 M3 CS that we also drove in comparison.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:13 AM   #18
Leg
Captain
93
Rep
844
Posts

Drives: E92 M3 V8 Alpine White
Join Date: May 2007
Location: York, England

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post

For some reason that pic made me think of Spartacus.

Im the M car, no Im the M car, no Im the M car......
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:14 AM   #19
JEllis
Major General
JEllis's Avatar
529
Rep
5,498
Posts

Drives: E36 M3, E92 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth

iTrader: (4)

Sounds like a good article. The E30 M3 I think was going to be the clear winner. The E30 M3 shold win considering that it was the car that started mass production of M cars and even in its road form was still very close to the race versions.

However, I am little surprsied the E39 M3 made 3rd and I downright shocked the M1 even made it into the top 5.

I read one article where the journalist actually drove his E39 M5 to the review and found the E92 M3 was everything the E39 M was, with a V8 and loads of power, except without the heavy feeling and lack of crispness.

The M1 is very shocking for multiple reasons. The first and biggest for me being that the car is more Lambo and Lotus than BMW. In fact the chasis was even built by Lambo for several years. Maybe the article brings this up but I personally have never considered the M1 to be a great example of BMW engineering since there is very little BMW in the car.

Jason
__________________
http://www.m3post.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic14547_7.gif
Instagram: jellismotorwerks
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:30 AM   #20
JerezBlue!
Second Lieutenant
JerezBlue!'s Avatar
23
Rep
289
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 V8
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: London, UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post
Both M5 and M6 feel remote and lack interaction, they are fast but there's very little fun to be had driving them. I drove the M6 during this test for a few hundred miles and was bored and had little wish to drive it again. The SMG system is slower than SMG2 in my CSL and does not allow the driver to blip the throttle on downchanges. You struggle to boot it sideways out of a junction, since the torque just isn't delivered strongly until higher up the rev range. It all feels very undriver centric when compared with other M-cars.

The E92 M3 on the other hand feels like it is cut from the same block as the iconic M-cars, however it still relies a little too much on technology and compared to the greats, there still feels like there is a layer of tech in between driver and the road. Maybe that's progress, but I would really like to drive an E92 M3 without EDC and kept as simple in spec as possibe, since I suspect that might be the best way to have it.

So the E92 M3 is close to being great and could easily become one of the greats in a less-GT, more driver focused version.


Before this incarnation, I had never considered M3 'cause it was always a very raw driving experience (not like a GT).

So instead, I went for the Audi S4 2.7T followed by the Audi S4 4.2; both relatively more comfortable than the M3 of the day.

Then the most recent Audi RS4 4.2 came on the scene. Had it for a day and actually felt quite knackered by the end of it.

So, instead put down an M3 deposit and, having driven the car, kept my order and am looking forward to delivery in a few weeks.

IMO, I think there will be a whole bunch of buyers who will move to the E92 M3 for the very reason that it will be a great GT. No bad thing!

Cheers.
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:39 AM   #21
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
245
Rep
4,227
Posts

Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steved View Post
Both M5 and M6 feel remote and lack interaction, they are fast but there's very little fun to be had driving them. I drove the M6 during this test for a few hundred miles and was bored and had little wish to drive it again. The SMG system is slower than SMG2 in my CSL and does not allow the driver to blip the throttle on downchanges. You struggle to boot it sideways out of a junction, since the torque just isn't delivered strongly until higher up the rev range. It all feels very undriver centric when compared with other M-cars.

The E92 M3 on the other hand feels like it is cut from the same block as the iconic M-cars, however it still relies a little too much on technology and compared to the greats, there still feels like there is a layer of tech in between driver and the road. Maybe that's progress, but I would really like to drive an E92 M3 without EDC and kept as simple in spec as possibe, since I suspect that might be the best way to have it.

So the E92 M3 is close to being great and could easily become one of the greats in a less-GT, more driver focused version.
Thanks Steve.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-14-2007, 10:40 AM   #22
2002 Tii
Private
2
Rep
85
Posts

Drives: Cooper S JCW
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEllis View Post
If the E30 M3 didnt get the greatest M car of all time then something is wrong.

Jason
Agreed, in terms of style, engineering and performance the car along with 2.3-16 valve mercedes took sports sedans to another level, E30-M3 dominated rally and road racing for years. The M635 was way ahead of its competion also, not to mention the M1 that put BMW in the all time list of the greatest exotic cars ever. The new M3 is a great car, but the greatest M car ever, no way.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:29 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST