Help deciding among the most effective among the ineffective intercoolers.

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 03:11 AM

Hi guys!

I run a 335dT as a daily driver. I do about 20.600 miles/year in it. Removed DPF, BMC air filter in OEM box, stock exhaust, stock IC, EGR. Boost is 2.7 bar (39.16026 psi) mapped by DieselPower in Norway.
Dyno says 313.34WHp/573.15WNm. When recalculated for loss over drivetrain that should give 365Hp/751Nm on crank. (also did a dyno when 100% stock to measure the loss over drivetrain)

Now my IC's given up (leaking), and also the red hose from the turbo to IC. New hose ordered from Forge.(http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/forge+...ftschlauch.htm)
But after reading up on intercoolers for hours I still cant decide which IC to buy. Im not gonna spend $1000 on a IC so here are the four ones I'm choosing between. I know that they are all chinese crap in many peoples eyes, but I'd like to give it a go and learn from my misstakes.

Plans: EGR removal, IC and plumbing upgrade, separate CCV tank, and possibly a better exhaust. And a remap after all this has been done.

So, all you flow and boost experts out there, could you rate these from 1-4?
1st: 26"x6"x5" (core 20"x6"x5")
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWIN-TURBO-I...item2339ea637f

2nd: 27"x6"x6" (core 22"x6"x6")
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Mount-...#ht_1935wt_995

3rd: 24,5"x11.8".3" (core 17.71"x11.8"x3")
http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/...akanslutn.html

4th: 24,5"x11.8".4" (core 17.71"x11.8"x4")
http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/...akanslutn.html

I know that the last two has, how should I put it without hurting anyones feelings, less appropriate designed endtanks. (just as good as a roulette table shaped as a square?) And then some people says that the thicker core on the other modells are ineffective in other ways.

It would be really fun to get the experts ideas on this matter.

Thanks in advance guys.

//Anders.

arayz · 10-31-2014, 04:09 AM

Dam u running 2.7 bar ?!

arayz · 10-31-2014, 04:10 AM

For how long have u ran it ? I ran 2.5 and getting more power

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 04:51 AM

When it was just tuned I ran 2.7 bar at the peak and then it settled at 2.5-2.6 bar. Now because of leaking IC I'm down to about 2.3-2.4 bar.

The tacho said 145.000km then I did the DPF removal and now it's at 255.000km.

Anyhow, this went offtopic.

Inputs on the IC's?

arayz · 10-31-2014, 05:09 AM

Im from sweden i do have klracing works reallygood

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 05:31 AM

I've read that some people run the KL Racing (aka Big Tom?) IC and are happy about it. But I am extremely sceptic to that endtank construction. Just like I said previously, It feels just as logic as a square shaped roulette table.
However, some people say that a core as thick as 5"-6" is worthless. So the question is what is the most effective of two ineffective things.

Vreimann · 10-31-2014, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janebrink

Hi guys!

I run a 335dT as a daily driver. I do about 20.600 miles/year in it. Removed DPF, BMC air filter in OEM box, stock exhaust, stock IC, EGR. Boost is 2.7 bar (39.16026 psi) mapped by DieselPower in Norway.
Dyno says 313.34WHp/573.15WNm. When recalculated for loss over drivetrain that should give 365Hp/751Nm on crank. (also did a dyno when 100% stock to measure the loss over drivetrain)

Now my IC's given up (leaking), and also the red hose from the turbo to IC. New hose ordered from Forge.(http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/forge+...ftschlauch.htm)
But after reading up on intercoolers for hours I still cant decide which IC to buy. Im not gonna spend $1000 on a IC so here are the four ones I'm choosing between. I know that they are all chinese crap in many peoples eyes, but I'd like to give it a go and learn from my misstakes.

Plans: EGR removal, IC and plumbing upgrade, separate CCV tank, and possibly a better exhaust. And a remap after all this has been done.

So, all you flow and boost experts out there, could you rate these from 1-4?
1st: 26"x6"x5" (core 20"x6"x5")
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWIN-TURBO-I...item2339ea637f

2nd: 27"x6"x6" (core 22"x6"x6")
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Mount-...#ht_1935wt_995

3rd: 24,5"x11.8".3" (core 17.71"x11.8"x3")
http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/...akanslutn.html

4th: 24,5"x11.8".4" (core 17.71"x11.8"x4")
http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/...akanslutn.html

I know that the last two has, how should I put it without hurting anyones feelings, less appropriate designed endtanks. (just as good as a roulette table shaped as a square?) And then some people says that the thicker core on the other modells are ineffective in other ways.

It would be really fun to get the experts ideas on this matter.

Thanks in advance guys.

//Anders.

If you can get your 4th option to fit in the space and it can operate with the design pressure, this one of the four options would be the one you want.

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 06:48 AM

In spite the endbox design?

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-31-2014, 09:58 AM

I have the WAGNER IC and it works for me here in Puerto Rico where its humid and hot all year round

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 11:46 AM

I'd like a Wagner but as I wrote, not planning to spend that kind of money on this IC...

N8N · 10-31-2014, 11:47 AM

Is the d the same as the i in terms of intercoolers?

Hoooper · 10-31-2014, 11:49 AM

no, slightly different

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 11:51 AM

No hard modding though.

N8N · 10-31-2014, 11:58 AM

Will VRSF ship to you? Their prices were pretty inexpensive compared to other equivalent intercoolers as of a couple years ago.

http://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-7-front...ZeYaAroA8P8HAQ

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 12:21 PM

That one looked nice but I'm looking at about $117 shipping to Sweden for that one and that is $200 over the most expensive one among the four ones I'm looking at.

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-31-2014, 12:22 PM

NSN just plug and play

janebrink I dont think it would be feasible in your area where temps range differently than down here, i recommend it for hot and humid areas

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 12:25 PM

Which one are you referring to?

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-31-2014, 12:32 PM

Wagner is plug and play and I recommend it for hot and humids climates and if you like to race and NO I DONT get kickbacks MOOSE!! LOL

janebrink · 10-31-2014, 12:33 PM

Ah! I understand.

Hoooper · 10-31-2014, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

NSN just plug and play

janebrink I dont think it would be feasible in your area where temps range differently than down here, i recommend it for hot and humid areas

He is running 10 PSI over stock, he almost certainly would benefit from a larger intercooler regardless of outdoor temps. I havent seen the efficiency maps on our turbos, but theres about a 100% chance he is pushing the turbo way past its efficient range and as such putting a lot of extra heat into the intake air.

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-31-2014, 12:37 PM

No problemo my friend. It should fit your car better than ours the IC was made from a 335d Touring and we had to trim a little bit from our lower fascia here in the states. It gave me around 12 whp i believe it was and it will not heat soak on me

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-31-2014, 12:52 PM

didnt see your post Hoop well said he might want to think about it and go for it

10-31-2014, 03:11 AM	#1
janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	Help deciding among the most effective among the ineffective intercoolers. Hi guys! I run a 335dT as a daily driver. I do about 20.600 miles/year in it. Removed DPF, BMC air filter in OEM box, stock exhaust, stock IC, EGR. Boost is 2.7 bar (39.16026 psi) mapped by DieselPower in Norway. Dyno says 313.34WHp/573.15WNm. When recalculated for loss over drivetrain that should give 365Hp/751Nm on crank. (also did a dyno when 100% stock to measure the loss over drivetrain) Now my IC's given up (leaking), and also the red hose from the turbo to IC. New hose ordered from Forge.(http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/forge+...ftschlauch.htm) But after reading up on intercoolers for hours I still cant decide which IC to buy. Im not gonna spend $1000 on a IC so here are the four ones I'm choosing between. I know that they are all chinese crap in many peoples eyes, but I'd like to give it a go and learn from my misstakes. Plans: EGR removal, IC and plumbing upgrade, separate CCV tank, and possibly a better exhaust. And a remap after all this has been done. So, all you flow and boost experts out there, could you rate these from 1-4? 1st: 26"x6"x5" (core 20"x6"x5") http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWIN-TURBO-I...item2339ea637f 2nd: 27"x6"x6" (core 22"x6"x6") http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Mount-...#ht_1935wt_995 3rd: 24,5"x11.8".3" (core 17.71"x11.8"x3") http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/...akanslutn.html 4th: 24,5"x11.8".4" (core 17.71"x11.8"x4") http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/...akanslutn.html I know that the last two has, how should I put it without hurting anyones feelings, less appropriate designed endtanks. (just as good as a roulette table shaped as a square?) And then some people says that the thicker core on the other modells are ineffective in other ways. It would be really fun to get the experts ideas on this matter. Thanks in advance guys. //Anders.
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arayz Private 8 Rep 99 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: swe iTrader: (0)	Dam u running 2.7 bar ?!
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arayz Private 8 Rep 99 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: swe iTrader: (0)	For how long have u ran it ? I ran 2.5 and getting more power
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janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	When it was just tuned I ran 2.7 bar at the peak and then it settled at 2.5-2.6 bar. Now because of leaking IC I'm down to about 2.3-2.4 bar. The tacho said 145.000km then I did the DPF removal and now it's at 255.000km. Anyhow, this went offtopic. Inputs on the IC's?
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arayz Private 8 Rep 99 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: swe iTrader: (0)	Im from sweden i do have klracing works reallygood
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10-31-2014, 05:31 AM	#6
janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	I've read that some people run the KL Racing (aka Big Tom?) IC and are happy about it. But I am extremely sceptic to that endtank construction. Just like I said previously, It feels just as logic as a square shaped roulette table. However, some people say that a core as thick as 5"-6" is worthless. So the question is what is the most effective of two ineffective things.
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10-31-2014, 06:48 AM	#8
janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	In spite the endbox design?
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10-31-2014, 09:58 AM	#9
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	I have the WAGNER IC and it works for me here in Puerto Rico where its humid and hot all year round __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	I'd like a Wagner but as I wrote, not planning to spend that kind of money on this IC...
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10-31-2014, 11:47 AM	#11
N8N Lieutenant Colonel 168 Rep 1,843 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Berwyn Heights, MD iTrader: (2)	Is the d the same as the i in terms of intercoolers?
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Hoooper Colonel 213 Rep 2,210 Posts Drives: 335D Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Petaluma, CA iTrader: (0)	no, slightly different
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10-31-2014, 11:51 AM	#13
janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	No hard modding though.
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10-31-2014, 11:58 AM	#14
N8N Lieutenant Colonel 168 Rep 1,843 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Berwyn Heights, MD iTrader: (2)	Will VRSF ship to you? Their prices were pretty inexpensive compared to other equivalent intercoolers as of a couple years ago. http://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-7-front...ZeYaAroA8P8HAQ
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10-31-2014, 12:21 PM	#15
janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	That one looked nice but I'm looking at about $117 shipping to Sweden for that one and that is $200 over the most expensive one among the four ones I'm looking at.
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	NSN just plug and play janebrink I dont think it would be feasible in your area where temps range differently than down here, i recommend it for hot and humid areas __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	Which one are you referring to?
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Wagner is plug and play and I recommend it for hot and humids climates and if you like to race and NO I DONT get kickbacks MOOSE!! LOL __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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janebrink New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 335dT ´07 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	Ah! I understand.
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	No problemo my friend. It should fit your car better than ours the IC was made from a 335d Touring and we had to trim a little bit from our lower fascia here in the states. It gave me around 12 whp i believe it was and it will not heat soak on me __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	didnt see your post Hoop well said he might want to think about it and go for it __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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