Disturbing 335i info (from inside source)

colonelburke · 12-20-2005, 12:56 PM

Just when I thought we were going to get some new information, this thread is getting old.

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett

We "attack" speed to defend others

. He refuses to admit he may be wrong and states everything with affirmative answer. The fact is he refuses to believe that the Europe market has ANY relationship to the US market and that is quite annoying.

It's called being confident with my source... and is no different then Tine stating his claims in the affirmative.

The last bit about my beliefs as they relate to the US/Euro market is nothing but a lie. I never said anything that could even be distorted to look like that was my position.

Don't be a liar.

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Originally Posted by Brett

Watch his opinion over time and see what happens. He changes it constantly, and then blames his changes on the shift in opinion at BMW. Tines source on the other hand (who I know) has definite opinions, and rarely changes them.

My posts are very clear... as are my positions. They are set in stone for all to see, both here as well as on www.bimmerfest.com

That was another BOLD FACE LIE... and I am now forced to wonder about every aspect of your integrity... or lack of.

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Originally Posted by Brett

I promise you the pictures will come out (sometime in the near future) and when they do Speed is going to have an excuse to how he isn't wrong!

-Brett

You promised they would be out now... or next week at the latest. So far you are WRONG... as I have already stated. What's your excuse?

Your sources are losing credibility by the day.

Brett · 12-20-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

You promised they would be out now... or next week at the latest. So far you are WRONG... as I have already stated. What's your excuse?

I never said "now". Tine said "12/20", the day is still technically not over, although I doubt this deadline will be hit. However, I am far from concerned.

If you knew the entire story you would realize some of these comments were based on event triggers. Apparently, while taking the official photoshots (in UltraMarine) they suspected a 3rd-party spied grabbed a few live shots. Scott said the date of the release was "somewhat" dependent on whether the spied leaked the images (which he never did).

Speed, you need to calm down. None of my comments to your were namecalling, yet you immediately attacked me accusing me of lying. Take a look at your past! You do change your opinion often (and quickly). Heck, in the first *major* 335 thread that sparked all the chaos, you openingly DENY the 335 will EVER happen, and then LATER THAT DAY you reverse your opinion entirely.

I am sorry bud, I really do like the fun details you trickle down, but I find your post to be nothing more than entertainment. You really lost some respect when you were flat out wrong about the 3-series being softtop (as late as last month).

I will only be laughing when by September 2006, folks in the NA will be able to ORDER 335 Coupes & Convertibles in turbo.

-Brett

flipmde786 · 12-20-2005, 03:01 PM

Patience is running thin...

:mad:

jcslp15 · 12-20-2005, 03:17 PM

i think we should all just calm down and wait and see. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people here at e90post are grateful for both Speed and Tine's information. Right or wrong, or whatever, since it makes things interesting, and often fun.

rightnow · 12-20-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

What the hell are you talking about?

I never said that. This has been a debate for the last few months regarding US market specific information. My reason for pointing this out is simple... I don't want to be misquoted... or misunderstood. I am making sure that everyone remembers that I am only able to access US market information and would never try to pose as a world market specialist.

You did talk about "OUR" market all the time. That your information is only valid for OUR market. Not tine's info that isnt valid for OUR market. You mean your market. Im interested in both. Dont make this all US if the site is worldwide.

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett

I never said "now". Tine said "12/20", the day is still technically not over, although I doubt this deadline will be hit. However, I am far from concerned.

If you knew the entire story you would realize some of these comments were based on event triggers. Apparently, while taking the official photoshots (in UltraMarine) they suspected a 3rd-party spied grabbed a few live shots. Scott said the date of the release was "somewhat" dependent on whether the spied leaked the images (which he never did).

Speed, you need to calm down. None of my comments to your were namecalling, yet you immediately attacked me accusing me of lying. Take a look at your past! You do change your opinion often (and quickly). Heck, in the first *major* 335 thread that sparked all the chaos, you openingly DENY the 335 will EVER happen, and then LATER THAT DAY you reverse your opinion entirely.
-Brett

You really should review past posts before quoting from your ass... and looking the fool.

Tine said the 20th... http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...983#post112983

...and he was wrong. So are you.

That's a very creative story you tell there... but sadly... there is no truth in it.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...908#post109908

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Originally Posted by Tine

The E92 3er coupe press kit distribution is already going on these days.

Automotive media are getting the kit, so do BMW distributors. That means press release is due late next week (#50) or early week #51.

Expect teasers in the automotive press next week.

And remember the lines I've posted in the previous posts!

Especially: 3.0L I6 DI turbo, 330PS.

To Speed:
Maybe that admition I had been wrong was just a tactical move.
And once more: there is NO and will be NO 3.5L I6 NA engine!
US will get either full version 3.0L I6 turbo, detuned 3.0L I6 turbo, or uptuned/upgraded 3.0L I6 NA engine. BMW AG still have to decide (in cooperation with BMW NA). Decision due in early 2006.

So now we're suppose to believe this line of Bull Sh!t that you all are feeding us? ... Please.

You lied about me in your post... that makes you a liar. That's a pretty simple deal. It has nothing to do with name calling... I simply called the kettle black.

If you don't want to be labeled a liar... then don't lie.

My past is very clear. I have not changed my opinion, and that is extremely clear for all to see. When I have different information from different sources (since I have several) I am extremely clear about it.

I did not deny the existence of the 335... I had not checked with my sources in some time and was still maintaining the position that had been clear for many, many months.

The original information was that we would get a 325/330/335 Turbo line-up in the US. I entered the thread with that position, even though I also had sources supporting the new information regarding the 325/330 move to a 328/335 with NO Turbo. Once I confirmed the information, I quickly corrected my position and the information that I had been providing.

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Originally Posted by Brett

I am sorry bud, I really do like the fun details you trickle down, but I find your post to be nothing more than entertainment. You really lost some respect when you were flat out wrong about the 3-series being softtop (as late as last month).

I will only be laughing when by September 2006, folks in the NA will be able to ORDER 335 Coupes & Convertibles in turbo.

-Brett

You really should work on your reading comprehension. You look worse with every attack.

I was very clear... I had two different positions from my sources and I quoted both.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...&postcount=150

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

Right now the 335Ci is really hush, hush... I would guess June '06 with the hard top cvt following a year later. The sedan should start production in Sept '06.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...&postcount=182

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

The coupe could possibly role into production as a 325Ci and a 330Ci... follow only a few short months by the release of the 328Ci and the 335Ci with the sedan in Sept. 06. We will continue to have the 3 series line with both sedan and coupe platforms.

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

The 3 series CVT could possibly remain a soft top... with the hard top cabriolet (folding top) coming out a year later as a 435Cic who has a twin brother the 435Ci coupe... likely to have 365-375hp... to be trumped by it's more serious sibling the V8 M4 with a possible 450-475hp. The 4 series will be like a baby 6 series... ultra luxury sport tourer.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...&postcount=238

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

I agree in more ways then I could possibly explain. I have told so many people about the folding hard top convertible 3 series... it's not even funny. I still believe, due to conflicting information (some of which you point out) that the coming 3 series will be just that. A hard top. The biggest reason is because I asked the EXACT question that you posted. The 3 series coupe will undoubtedly go into production before the 4 series. Why haven't we seen it. I assure you that I will get to the bottom of this over the course of the next several days. I must say, though, BMW sure did an incredible job of keeping the Z4 coupe hidden. What we saw unveiled with "official" press releases was unlike anything that we had seen... ever. We shall see.

Seems pretty clear to me.

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rightnow

You did talk about "OUR" market all the time. That your information is only valid for OUR market. Not tine's info that isnt valid for OUR market. You mean your market. Im interested in both. Dont make this all US if the site is worldwide.

Dude... I'm doing no such thing. Maybe you are having a hard time understanding me. I know I have difficulty translating German all the time.

OUR... meaning me and my fellow Americans.

BMW F22 · 12-20-2005, 04:26 PM

so when is the 335 coming?

Garrett · 12-20-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

Dude... I'm doing no such thing. Maybe you are having a hard time understanding me. I know I have difficulty translating German all the time.

OUR... meaning me and my fellow Americans.

Speed, EVERYBODY knows you have an inside source. That doesnt make YOU an authority on anything. Plz remember that.

Look at BMWNA web-site and even their catolouge... sometimes they say *european version shown. So press packs can and do use international photos and such.

My point is: You can knock the chip off your shoulder and be a bit more humble in your posts. The reason we are all here is because we love/own BMW's... not because we are trying to prove our worth threw meaningless posts.

This isn't a contest.

-Garrett

Brett · 12-20-2005, 04:34 PM

Ha! One of those post you just reposted infact even showed you swinging different ways. As you posted:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

I agree in more ways then I could possibly explain. I have told so many people about the folding hard top convertible 3 series... it's not even funny. I still believe, due to conflicting information (some of which you point out) that the coming 3 series will be just that. A hard top. The biggest reason is because I asked the EXACT question that you posted. The 3 series coupe will undoubtedly go into production before the 4 series. Why haven't we seen it. I assure you that I will get to the bottom of this over the course of the next several days. I must say, though, BMW sure did an incredible job of keeping the Z4 coupe hidden. What we saw unveiled with "official" press releases was unlike anything that we had seen... ever. We shall see.

Put into context, this was you RESPONDING to my original accusations that you were FLAT OUT wrong about the 3-series being a softtop. It seems it was my response (as I "point out") that got you thinking you may be wrong. And guess what, you immediately swinged and changed opinion!

This thread is ridiculous, you are ridiculous. You have no more inside information, than the next salesman. I never said I stood by Tine, I stood by Tines source Scott who works @ BMW HQ. And, who to my knowledge has still not confirmed the 12/20 date (read closer: that was Tine speculating).

Shrugh,
Brett

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

Speed, EVERYBODY knows you have an inside source. That doesnt make YOU an authority on anything. Plz remember that.

Look at BMWNA web-site and even their catolouge... sometimes they say *european version shown. So press packs can and do use international photos and such.

My point is: You can knock the chip off your shoulder and be a bit more humble in your posts. The reason we are all here is because we love/own BMW's... not because we are trying to prove our worth threw meaningless posts.

This isn't a contest.

-Garrett

You... and any one who shares your opinion of me really needs to pull your head out of your ass.

It would be nice.

First of all, this isn't about pictures... of course the US version looks like a Euro version. The differences are in the drive-train. That has been the only US vs Euro debate.

Secondly, I have no chip... I have nothing to prove... I couldn't possibly care less what you or anyone else thinks of me.

I have done nothing to make this a contest... others have. And so what if they did... they were just having fun.

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett

Ha! One of those post you just reposted infact even showed you swinging different ways. As you posted:

Put into context, this was you RESPONDING to my original accusations that you were FLAT OUT wrong about the 3-series being a softtop. It seems it was my response (as I "point out") that got you thinking you may be wrong. And guess what, you immediately swinged and changed opinion!

This thread is ridiculous, you are ridiculous. You have no more inside information, than the next salesman. I never said I stood by Tine, I stood by Tines source Scott who works @ BMW HQ. And, who to my knowledge has still not confirmed the 12/20 date (read closer: that was Tine speculating).

Shrugh,
Brett

Again... you prove my point that you have a difficult time with simple comprehension.

In context... this proves what I have already said... over and over.

You are wrong... and are attacking me viciously because you have nothing else to offer.

Pathetic.

Tine · 12-20-2005, 05:39 PM

C'mon guys! Give Speed a break!
He is claiming what he has heard from his sources. Just like I am.
Don't demonize him for no reason.

This is not a Euro vs. US duel. Or Good guy vs Bad guy.

It's just Tine and Speed are "fighting" whose sources are more credible! Whatever comes out at the end remember we two have been just trying to provide you the info we got from some people who (seem to) knew more.

Calm down. Let's just wait till the end of December ...

I think we all have much more important stuff to do in our real lives than waiting for new 3-series Coupe. Whenever it comes, it will be stunning!

Garrett · 12-20-2005, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

You... and any one who shares your opinion of me really needs to pull your head out of your ass.

It would be nice.

First of all, this isn't about pictures... of course the US version looks like a Euro version. The differences are in the drive-train. That has been the only US vs Euro debate.

Secondly, I have no chip... I have nothing to prove... I couldn't possibly care less what you or anyone else thinks of me.

I have done nothing to make this a contest... others have. And so what if they did... they were just having fun.

Seriously, this is a message board not a my cock is bigger than your cock board. Where do you come off being so agressive after my post..? I didn't state an opinion of you... I ask you to be more humble, seeing that your posts are bordering on conceit & tastless yammering and stop offering an real information long ago.

Ready to be humbled.?
You lost the respect of this community, No matter if your information is valid or not. Your life obviously revolves around sucking your informats cock. Everybody know you have an inside sorce, that doesn't make YOU an authority on anything, just a puppet of information. We thank you for being our info whore.

Pictures. You berated another member saying they don't use press packs and euro press released don't mean anything here... yet I have in my hands pictures in a US catalouge and on the BMWNA website that have euro pictures... so your WRONG or misguided. I left it to you to decide, but you chose to come back and instead of admitting your wrong... you confronted me with anger and hate. A sure sign of being insecure. Don't come back and insult me for pointing out an oversight on your part and try to wiggle out.

So I ask you once again, try humility next time. Your agressive stance gets old real fast.

-Garrett

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tine

C'mon guys! Give Speed a break!
He is claiming what he has heard from his sources. Just like I am.
Don't demonize him for no reason.

This is not a Euro vs. US duel. Or Good guy vs Bad guy.

It's just Tine and Speed are "fighting" whose sources are more credible! Whatever comes out at the end remember we two have been just trying to provide you the info we got from some people who (seem to) knew more.

Calm down. Let's just wait till the end of December ...

I think we all have much more important stuff to do in our real lives than waiting for new 3-series Coupe. Whenever it comes, it will be stunning!

And again... Tine... the voice of gentlemanly reason.

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

Seriously, this is a message board not a my cock is bigger than your cock board. Where do you come off being so agressive after my post..? I didn't state an opinion of you... I ask you to be more humble, seeing that your posts are bordering on conceit & tastless yammering and stop offering an real information long ago.

The opinion of a few...

...as if I care.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

Ready to be humbled.?
You lost the respect of this community, No matter if your information is valid or not. Your life obviously revolves around sucking your informats cock. Everybody know you have an inside sorce, that doesn't make YOU an authority on anything, just a puppet of information. We thank you for being our info whore.

Didn't you read me... you and your opinion mean absolutely nothing to me.

I'm sure that has been obvious to those who can comprehend.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

Pictures. You berated another member saying they don't use press packs and euro press released don't mean anything here... yet I have in my hands pictures in a US catalouge and on the BMWNA website that have euro pictures... so your WRONG or misguided. I left it to you to decide, but you chose to come back and instead of admitting your wrong... you confronted me with anger and hate. A sure sign of being insecure. Don't come back and insult me for pointing out an oversight on your part and try to wiggle out.

So I ask you once again, try humility next time. Your agressive stance gets old real fast.

-Garrett

Sadly... you obviously have a very difficult time understanding the English language... that, or you're an idiot... I'll let you decide.

I said no such thing... QUOTE ME.

I said that the claimed Press Pack did not exist at this time and was not "in the hands" of publishers and the media.

As for using Euro pics... dude... the only one who's going to need to "wiggle" out of this one is you... or you will certainly look like an idiot... regardless of your overall decision regarding specific that matter.

I never said anything about BMW NA not using Euro pics... leave your head in your ass if you like... it's your ass.

RichReg · 12-20-2005, 06:18 PM

Goddamn it! I wish BMW would freakin' let us in on what the deal is already!:mad:

I say we gather up all E90 members from here, Bimmerfest, E90Fanatics & possibly even Roadfly,
and then proceed to storm BMWNA corporate headquarters in Woodcliff Lake, NJ in the
dead of night.....in particular MIDNIGHT....on Christmas Eve.

Then and only then, will we finally get to the bottom of all of this. :rocks:

Mark · 12-20-2005, 06:31 PM

Ok please get on topic again and stop fighting, it would be a shame to lock this thread for stupidity..

SpeedFreak! · 12-20-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkE90M3

Ok please get on topic again and stop fighting, it would be a shame to lock this thread for stupidity..

I thought that was the topic...

Brett · 12-20-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

In context... this proves what I have already said... over and over

All this proves is you change your mind more quickly than I change my underwear.

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Originally Posted by SpeedFreak

Pathetic.

Uhh... ouch, that really hurt.

Come on Speed, I want to like yah, but your "I am higher than everyone" attitude is really getting to me. This is my last post in this thread.

Let the record show:
Scott says pictures by late Dec / January (It was Tine, NOT Scott, who suggested Dec 20th). Also, note Scott has been saying this for several months.

Speed says pictures by late Feb / March

As far as I see it, neither Scott or Speed has been proven incorrect yet, and only time will tell.

-Brett

Brett · 12-20-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkE90M3

Ok please get on topic again and stop fighting, it would be a shame to lock this thread for stupidity..

Fair nuff.
-Brett

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RichReg Colonel 121 Rep 2,099 Posts Drives: 2015 435Xi GC & 2000 323Ci. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Goddamn it! I wish BMW would freakin' let us in on what the deal is already!:mad: I say we gather up all E90 members from here, Bimmerfest, E90Fanatics & possibly even Roadfly, and then proceed to storm BMWNA corporate headquarters in Woodcliff Lake, NJ in the dead of night.....in particular MIDNIGHT....on Christmas Eve. Then and only then, will we finally get to the bottom of all of this. :rocks:
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