[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

Congrats on the 400,000 miles, quite an achievement....it kinda reminds me of a broom that I've had for 26 years, its had 4 new handles & 7 new heads

But not all at the same time

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tlow98

Wow. 366 days. You’ve spent over a year of your life in the e90. It’s a good thing you like it!

I can legitimately say, "Dude, I've like spent a year driving this car."

[lookalikehuuh]

Originally Posted by John 070

LOL I never even heard of him until I got a Lexus. I'd like to think that people here are very open minded. The E9x is top notch, and for its time, it was way up there. Some Lexus owners have one too, but many, are like little scottys....if you don't have a toyota, you're an idiot hahahahahahahaha

Now seriously, if something is excellent, why wouldn't you want to keep it a long time?

I always point out often BMW OE parts are a fraction of Toyota OE. Like a brake sensor wire, could be $30 v. $139.

Oh dude.. people totally don't get that. I used to have an IS300 while it was more reliable comparably speaking parts were freaking expensive. I had to replace 1 coil back before and it was like $250 or something crazy. I could be 2 full sets for the bimmer for the same cost.

[ky0u]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I can legitimately say, "Dude, I've like spent a year driving this car."

Originally Posted by lookalikehuuh

Oh dude.. people totally don't get that. I used to have an IS300 while it was more reliable comparably speaking parts were freaking expensive. I had to replace 1 coil back before and it was like $250 or something crazy. I could be 2 full sets for the bimmer for the same cost.

It's absolutely insane how much Lexus charges for parts, never understood why

[lowrydr310]

Originally Posted by lookalikehuuh

Oh dude.. people totally don't get that. I used to have an IS300 while it was more reliable comparably speaking parts were freaking expensive. I had to replace 1 coil back before and it was like $250 or something crazy. I could be 2 full sets for the bimmer for the same cost.

Funny you mention coils. My father has a Tacoma that has been misfiring due to a bad coil. A new one from the discount online Toyota dealer is $97. Local dealer is about 30% higher. The OEM coil supplier is Denso, and even on Rock Auto that coil is $45. That same website has my OEM E90 Bosch coils for $17.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by lowrydr310

Funny you mention coils. My father has a Tacoma that has been misfiring due to a bad coil. A new one from the discount online Toyota dealer is $97. Local dealer is about 30% higher. The OEM coil supplier is Denso, and even on Rock Auto that coil is $45. That same website has my OEM E90 Bosch coils for $17.

Wow, you're not wrong. I just went on Rockauto and looked at how much an Ignition coil for my dad's 2013 Honda Accord is. An OE Denso Ignition coil is $48.79. An OE Delphi or Bosh Ignition coil for my E90 off Rockauto is $25.79 for the Delphi one and $17.62 for the Bosh one.

[leif20]

Aside from the phenomenal driving dynamics, access to parts and knowledge is probably the defining positive feature of continuing to own the e9x platform well after final production date.

Tons of parts are all relatively cheap and easily available. Even things like the active light module was quickly and cheaply shipped to my house, where installation took all of 15 minutes. Coding was a bit more of a pain, but that's a different story.

Living in a region that freely salts roads and with my car seeing DD duty, I do worry about the longevity of the suspension components. At 243k km the car still drives very well, but certain parts are disintegrating with each passing year (rear lower damper mounts fell apart changing shocks). The car was oil sprayed for many years prior to my ownership so the propagation isn't awful, and there is almost no body rust aside from some bubbling in the rear license plate lamp holes.

Can anyone speak to the long-term ability of BMW's to withstand rust? Efthreeoh has your undercarriage ever seen snow or salt?
I had to replace transmission solenoids at 210k km, and it's driving well. I can't think of anything that would take this car off the road other than more trans issues or a major component falling apart from rust.

[mweisdorfer]

Wow, that's awesome... congrats

I'll be looking to see will get 300,000 on an N54 😂

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by leif20

Aside from the phenomenal driving dynamics, access to parts and knowledge is probably the defining positive feature of continuing to own the e9x platform well after final production date.

Tons of parts are all relatively cheap and easily available. Even things like the active light module was quickly and cheaply shipped to my house, where installation took all of 15 minutes. Coding was a bit more of a pain, but that's a different story.

Living in a region that freely salts roads and with my car seeing DD duty, I do worry about the longevity of the suspension components. At 243k km the car still drives very well, but certain parts are disintegrating with each passing year (rear lower damper mounts fell apart changing shocks). The car was oil sprayed for many years prior to my ownership so the propagation isn't awful, and there is almost no body rust aside from some bubbling in the rear license plate lamp holes.

Can anyone speak to the long-term ability of BMW's to withstand rust? Efthreeoh has your undercarriage ever seen snow or salt?
I had to replace transmission solenoids at 210k km, and it's driving well. I can't think of anything that would take this car off the road other than more trans issues or a major component falling apart from rust.

I live in Chicago where it snows quite a bit in the winter. Probably not as much as it does in Canada. But, last year when it would snow, I would always wash my car every week or two and spray the underbody with the high-pressure hoses they have at car washes. Of course, I would not use the crappy brushes car washes provide. I would go early morning or late at night and hand wash the car I would just pay for water. When I had my car inspected a while ago, I looked underneath and everything is pretty much rust free. Except for a little rust on the bolts here and there. I feel like as long as you wash the undercarriage and car once a week or so during winter, the car shouldn't rust that badly.

[ky0u]

Originally Posted by leif20

Aside from the phenomenal driving dynamics, access to parts and knowledge is probably the defining positive feature of continuing to own the e9x platform well after final production date.

Tons of parts are all relatively cheap and easily available. Even things like the active light module was quickly and cheaply shipped to my house, where installation took all of 15 minutes. Coding was a bit more of a pain, but that's a different story.

This was a huge plus for me in ownership. I was first introduced to the 335i back in 2007 when a friend purchased a fully loaded one brand new. It's wild to see how much to community has progressed since then. From people being pretty afraid to touch anything on it for fear of messing something up, to now, where everything on the platform is thoroughly documented down to the different control modules.

Particularly with the n54, I remember when Cobb and Vishnu/Procede owned the game to JB shaking things up and now being able to plug into OBD2 from pretty much any smartphone and remapping in about 2 min without leaving the garage.

[Schmitz]

After this, what even constitutes 'high mileage'?? I'm about to hit 100k...don't even feel like it's worth mentioning

[lookalikehuuh]

Originally Posted by Schmitz

After this, what even constitutes 'high mileage'?? I'm about to hit 100k...don't even feel like it's worth mentioning

400K is considered high Mileage now your 100k is just a virgin at this point.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Schmitz

After this, what even constitutes 'high mileage'?? I'm about to hit 100k...don't even feel like it's worth mentioning

It constitutes... Mental illness.

Kidding...

[tlow98]

Originally Posted by ky0u

It's absolutely insane how much Lexus charges for parts, never understood why

Volume-based earnings. If you sell a lot of something you can afford to price it lower bc your overall profits will still be high. If you sell relatively few of something you should raise the praise to make your profits higher.

There's not much incentive for Toyota to make spare parts if they rarely wear out AND they don't make money on them.

Just a thought.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tlow98

Volume-based earnings. If you sell a lot of something you can afford to price it lower bc your overall profits will still be high. If you sell relatively few of something you should raise the praise to make your profits higher.

There's not much incentive for Toyota to make spare parts if they rarely wear out AND they don't make money on them.

Just a thought.

Just as a counter thought, Toyota is the largest auto manufacturer in the would, so I'd say Toyota can affect the price of auto parts just by the sheer volume of vehicles it sells. Meaning it pays relatively the same price for parts as BMW does, it just sells them at a higher price.

TBH I don't think Toyotas are all that great. In the ones I've been in, the touch parts are worn out at 150,000 miles (i.e. interiors). I know of several Toyota owner's cars that have somewhat high miles on them, but are nowhere near in as good shape as any of my BMWs have been at the same age/miles or older.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just as a counter thought, Toyota is the largest auto manufacturer in the would, so I'd say Toyota can affect the price of auto parts just by the sheer volume of vehicles it sells. Meaning it pays relatively the same price for parts as BMW does, it just sells them at a higher price.

TBH I don't think Toyotas are all that great. In the ones I've been in, the touch parts are worn out at 150,000 miles (i.e. interiors). I know of several Toyota owner's cars that have somewhat high miles on them, but are nowhere near in as good shape as any of my BMWs have been at the same age/miles or older.

I think people here are very insightful and realistic. If a BMW doesn't look good, doesn't drive well, we say it. I remember posting that man the power window switches on my Lexus are cheap feeling, and this is the flagship car. I got mugged haha Someone goes what makes you think they are cheap? I said because a Corolla uses the same i.e. identical module. Another time I said this car is like driving your mattress out of your bedroom, it isn't exactly the best car for an autocross. Again someone jumped on me, how do you know, did you try it in an autocross? I have. well, it gets .73g and drives like a mattress, for one.

I really think the business model is different for service. I drive my 335i in, and it's a 2007, they haven't recommended any services for years--just mentioned torn rear boots for the shocks. I was the one who said can you do my coolant, how much is that, in 2019 (I don't like dealing with anti freeze at least with the BMW).

I did that as mentioned with the lexus and they told me they recommend $6000+ of work lol (all of which unneeded)

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by John 070

I think people here are very insightful and realistic. If a BMW doesn't look good, doesn't drive well, we say it. I remember posting that man the power window switches on my Lexus are cheap feeling, and this is the flagship car. I got mugged haha Someone goes what makes you think they are cheap? I said because a Corolla uses the same i.e. identical module. Another time I said this car is like driving your mattress out of your bedroom, it isn't exactly the best car for an autocross. Again someone jumped on me, how do you know, did you try it in an autocross? I have. well, it gets .73g and drives like a mattress, for one.

I really think the business model is different for service. I drive my 335i in, and it's a 2007, they haven't recommended any services for years--just mentioned torn rear boots for the shocks. I was the one who said can you do my coolant, how much is that, in 2019 (I don't like dealing with anti freeze at least with the BMW).

I did that as mentioned with the lexus and they told me they recommend $6000+ of work lol (all of which unneeded)

I really think the business model is different for service. I drive my 335i in, and it's a 2007, they haven't recommended any services for years--just mentioned torn rear boots for the shocks. I was the one who said can you do my coolant, how much is that, in 2019 (I don't like dealing with anti freeze at least with the BMW).

I did that as mentioned with the lexus and they told me they recommend $6000+ of work lol (all of which unneeded)[/QUOTE]


I agree. Though I haven't taken my car into a BMW dealership for service, I took my dad's 2013 Honda Accord in for a recall Tuesday morning. I go to pick it up after the recall is done and low and behold the service advisor walks up to me and gives me a sheet of paper listing work that needs to be done. Brake fluid I got done by that same dealership just a different location a few months back, CVT fluid I did at 55k miles (car is sitting at 61k), spark plugs don't need to be done until 100k per the owners manual, fuel injection service is bs imo (on Hondas). Just toss in some Techron, clean the throttle body and call it a day. Valve adjustments don't have to be done until 100k miles per owner manual. The service Tech. did not recommend any of these things except that my battery is bad. I charged the battery fully yesterday and took a look at it today. The battery came out at 12.5V. So, the battery is fine too. So, that's $1,375 worth of work I did not need. Service advisors receive commission checks too. The higher the work amount "needed", the fatter the commission check.

I take my mom's Mercedes in for service and the Mercedes dealership never comes with bs amounts of work that needs to be done. That might be because the car is still under factory warranty plus cpo.

My local BMW dealership has a coupon for a Free Multi-Point inspection plus exterior car wash (not getting my car ran through that horrible car wash). I am thinking about having them do a multi-point inspection since it is free.

[lordbmw]

Mine recently passed 80k.

[tlow98]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just as a counter thought, Toyota is the largest auto manufacturer in the would, so I'd say Toyota can affect the price of auto parts just by the sheer volume of vehicles it sells. Meaning it pays relatively the same price for parts as BMW does, it just sells them at a higher price.

TBH I don't think Toyotas are all that great. In the ones I've been in, the touch parts are worn out at 150,000 miles (i.e. interiors). I know of several Toyota owner's cars that have somewhat high miles on them, but are nowhere near in as good shape as any of my BMWs have been at the same age/miles or older.

Touche. And completely agree on the bottom line cost of the parts being similar.

Originally Posted by John 070

I think people here are very insightful and realistic. If a BMW doesn't look good, doesn't drive well, we say it. I remember posting that man the power window switches on my Lexus are cheap feeling, and this is the flagship car. I got mugged haha Someone goes what makes you think they are cheap? I said because a Corolla uses the same i.e. identical module. Another time I said this car is like driving your mattress out of your bedroom, it isn't exactly the best car for an autocross. Again someone jumped on me, how do you know, did you try it in an autocross? I have. well, it gets .73g and drives like a mattress, for one.

I really think the business model is different for service. I drive my 335i in, and it's a 2007, they haven't recommended any services for years--just mentioned torn rear boots for the shocks. I was the one who said can you do my coolant, how much is that, in 2019 (I don't like dealing with anti freeze at least with the BMW).

I did that as mentioned with the lexus and they told me they recommend $6000+ of work lol (all of which unneeded)

Agree on the interior parts and lots of things. Tho, every BMW dealer I bump into seems to call out every possible detail!

[2one3E90]

Did you replace your oil cap or coolant cap?

[John 070]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I agree. Though I haven't taken my car into a BMW dealership for service, I took my dad's 2013 Honda Accord in for a recall Tuesday morning. I go to pick it up after the recall is done and low and behold the service advisor walks up to me and gives me a sheet of paper listing work that needs to be done. Brake fluid I got done by that same dealership just a different location a few months back, CVT fluid I did at 55k miles (car is sitting at 61k), spark plugs don't need to be done until 100k per the owners manual, fuel injection service is bs imo (on Hondas). Just toss in some Techron, clean the throttle body and call it a day. Valve adjustments don't have to be done until 100k miles per owner manual. The service Tech. did not recommend any of these things except that my battery is bad. I charged the battery fully yesterday and took a look at it today. The battery came out at 12.5V. So, the battery is fine too. So, that's $1,375 worth of work I did not need. Service advisors receive commission checks too. The higher the work amount "needed", the fatter the commission check.

I take my mom's Mercedes in for service and the Mercedes dealership never comes with bs amounts of work that needs to be done. That might be because the car is still under factory warranty plus cpo.

My local BMW dealership has a coupon for a Free Multi-Point inspection plus exterior car wash (not getting my car ran through that horrible car wash). I am thinking about having them do a multi-point inspection since it is free.

The point of all this is I believe the owner will do every job that they're capable of doing, better than a dealer. The only limitation may be tools, etc.

And yes! I got something like that with Lexus, and it added up to over $6k. Reminded me of those YouTubes where they drive an AMG they just got and it's a PhD thesis/book adding up to $20k. Only with Lexus it was only 4 items and one page! And I guarantee now that I know the car well? They didn't even look. They based it on 10 years old and at the time 82k miles. I brought the Lexus in for a brake fluid flush and coolant flush. I found out that with Toyota, it's drain, and fill. It's not an exchange. But anyway those prices were low.....$80 for the brake fluid, $110 for the coolant. But in true car dealer fashion, those were lower than what they said over the phone so who knows why. One of the recommended jobs was the timing belt (yes it's a V8 and has a timing belt), $1,800. I had an indie Japanese do it for $900, and they did a better job for sure.

On yours the crazy comment is "checking service history at our dealership." Don't they have carfax or even a Honda system for say warranty work etc.? I got my emissions test at one BMW dealer in 2019 and another in 2020, they were able to verify the mileage and issue an exempt sticker...

p.s. I think a throttle body service is complete BS. The problem for shops is the fact that many cars need almost nothing right through 100k--how are they supposed to generate revenue, when traditionally, they generate a lot in the big picture.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by 2one3E90

Did you replace your oil cap or coolant cap?

Coolant cap yes, probably 8 years ago or so. Engine oil cap is original. The Oil filter housing cap is also original, but I keep a spare in case it breaks during an oil change (I have 2 N52's in my fleet).