[Car-Addicted]

Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

This kind of makes me like my S Plaid even more. It is like having a Canyonero but not as physically large.

[eugenebmw]

EVs anxiety. Don't expect the charging stations you plan to go do work. This will not be the last time it happen

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This kind of makes me like my S Plaid even more. It is like having a Canyonero but not as physically large.

I knew EV's would get me one way or the other.

[eugenebmw]

Why Americans don’t want electric vehicles

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...tric-vehicles/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

EVs anxiety. Don't expect the charging stations you plan to go do work.

Looks like the only way around this is to have the charge cable part of the EV or drive a ICE car up to the filling station.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Looks like the only way around this is to have the charge cable part of the EV or drive a ICE car up to the filling station.

Cable not included !!!! Who is going to pay for the repair? EV users??

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

EVs anxiety. Don't expect the charging stations you plan to go do work. This will not be the last time it happen

I actually have 10,000 free Tesla supercharger miles. I have never even used a supercharger yet in a bit over a year. I have no point here. Just an observation.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I actually have 10,000 free Tesla supercharger miles. I have never even used a supercharger yet in a bit over a year. I have no point here. Just an observation.

So if they give 10,000 mile of free charging but overestimate range by 25%, does that mean 7,500 mile of actual free charging?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

So if they give 10,000 mile of free charging but overestimate range by 25%, does that mean 7,500 mile of actual free charging?

Could be

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

That Rivian held together pretty dang well IMO. Quite impressive.

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=Car-Addicted;30870407]Testing Suggests Highway Guardrails No Match for Heavy EVs
Jan 31, 2024
In research sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center, the University of Nebrask-Lincoln’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility is investigating the safety and military defense questions raised by the burgeoning number of electric vehicles on the nation’s roadways.
A crash test performed on a guardrail on October 12, 2023 highlighted the concern. At 60 mph, the 7,000-plus-pound, 2022 Rivian R1T truck tore through a commonly used guardrail system with little reduction in speed.
The test crash was intended to see how guardrails, which line tens of thousands of miles of roads in the United States, would fare against EVs that weigh thousands of pounds more than an average gasoline-powered sedan.
Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern about the safety risks heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles, adding yet another question mark to the viability of EVs for wider public usage.
A UK study led by the University of Leeds in 2023 found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle – and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.
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In other words an unwieldy death trap if they involve lighter fuel cars in their accidents.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Cable not included !!!! Who is going to pay for the repair? EV users??

They chose EV's, let them pay.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Not even a fake grille could do wonders for the normal Tesla.

The original Model S in 2012 with the small grille wasn't bad. I forget what model year they brought the grille back, but out of all the current Tesla cars it is the most acceptable design in my view.

The Cybertruck is so friggin crazy over the top, I've grown to like it. But the Model 3 and Model Y and X all need a significant refresh along with the Model S. IMO of course.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I figured you were going to have to break out the Pinto flaming gas tanks soon.

Having owned four Pintos in my lifetime, I'll take a Pinto over an EV any day regarding fire risk.

They are EMP proof.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The original Model S in 2012 with the small grille wasn't bad. I forget what model year they brought the grille back, but out of all the current Tesla cars it is the most acceptable design in my view.

The Cybertruck is so friggin crazy over the top, I've grown to like it. But the Model 3 and Model Y and X all need a significant refresh along with the Model S. IMO of course.

I don't think the Cyber truck would even pass the BSI safety test over here with it's sharp edges or the yearly safety check.

[Almuliman]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I don't think the Cyber truck would even pass the BSI safety test over here with it's sharp edges or the yearly safety check.

I'm astounded* it's allowed on sale here in the US. Watch Jason Cammisa actually slice his hand open on the front corner or the Throttle House guys peel a carrot on the trailing edge of the door or chop carrots with the power frunk lid. I love a lot of the engineering innovation that went into the thing (no, I don't love the thing itself or want one – ever), but that's just nuts.

*: OK, so maybe "surprised, but not surprised, that the federal government allowed", given the ludicrously long leash on safety that seems to be afforded Tesla ("Full" "Self" Driving, warning lights, wompy wheel, power steering, ...).

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Having owned four Pintos in my lifetime, I'll take a Pinto over an EV any day regarding fire risk.
They are EMP proof.

I figured you would chime in on that.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Almuliman

I'm astounded* it's allowed on sale here in the US. Watch Jason Cammisa actually slice his hand open on the front corner or the Throttle House guys peel a carrot on the trailing edge of the door or chop carrots with the power frunk lid. I love a lot of the engineering innovation that went into the thing (no, I don't love the thing itself or want one – ever), but that's just nuts.

*: OK, so maybe "surprised, but not surprised, that the federal government allowed", given the ludicrously long leash on safety that seems to be afforded Tesla ("Full" "Self" Driving, warning lights, wompy wheel, power steering, ...).

When i first saw it I could't believe it myself.

[Car-Addicted]

New Jersey has made it illegal to discard EV batteries in landfills
February 1, 2024
New Jersey officially passed an extended producer responsibility (EPR) law last month that makes the disposal of EV batteries in landfills illegal in the state. The Electric and Hybrid Vehicle Battery Management Act requires battery manufacturers to create an alternative procedure to reuse and recycle as much of the discarded EV battery as possible.
The new law affects any company that sells EV batteries in the state. It includes vehicle and/or battery manufacturers, importers, and brand or trademark licensees.
The legislation itself is rolling out between 2025 and 2027. All EV battery producers are required to register with the DEP by January 2025, with the full force of the law officially taking hold in January 2027.
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/new...ries-landfills

Sounds like a chicken egg situation. Let's mandate something that doesn't exist yet. Still no commercial viable Black Mass recycling but nothing to see here, move along.

Battery recycling tech aims for fully domestic production
February 1, 2024
“The best way to look at it is as you put the shredded material and cathode powder and black mass in, what the equipment will do is keep all the critical materials, in the format we really want it, in a protective bubble and remove all the material around it,” Hayward said.
https://resource-recycling.com/e-scr...ic-production/

[Car-Addicted]

S Korean black mass payables hold firm in January, EU market weakens further
February 1, 2024
“Demand for raw materials remained low, so the trading of black mass in the past week has been limited. We are only operating at 50% capacity due to thin margins,” a second Korean buying source told Fastmarkets.
“You can see what’s happening in the primary nickel, cobalt and lithium markets – everything is oversupplied. And black mass is no different. We’re therefore seeing a massive slowdown in activity,” a European trading source said during the month.
The value of lithium being paid in black mass in the CIF Korea and Asian markets continued to drop in January. Trading sources said the value of lithium was “almost non-existent” amid poor demand for lithium carbonate in key Asian markets.
https://www.fastmarkets.com/insights...akens-further/

Bottom line is the energy required to refine Black Mass is greater than the value of the products. Anyone think China give a crap about recycling

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

S Korean black mass payables hold firm in January, EU market weakens further
February 1, 2024
“Demand for raw materials remained low, so the trading of black mass in the past week has been limited. We are only operating at 50% capacity due to thin margins,” a second Korean buying source told Fastmarkets.
“You can see what’s happening in the primary nickel, cobalt and lithium markets – everything is oversupplied. And black mass is no different. We’re therefore seeing a massive slowdown in activity,” a European trading source said during the month.
The value of lithium being paid in black mass in the CIF Korea and Asian markets continued to drop in January. Trading sources said the value of lithium was “almost non-existent” amid poor demand for lithium carbonate in key Asian markets.
https://www.fastmarkets.com/insights...akens-further/

Bottom line is the energy required to refine Black Mass is greater than the value of the products. Anyone think China give a crap about recycling

We all know the answer to that.