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01-16-2013, 01:51 PM | #23 | |
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Smart man not planting that seed. Some times test drives can lead to buying the wrong car. I almost bought the C63 AMG but relized its not the right car for day to day. |
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01-16-2013, 02:10 PM | #24 | |
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But i was referring more to this; says a lot when the m5 loses to an s6 AND an AMG. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...audi-s6-page-4 and the fact that I dont care for the new M5. Didnt like the steering feel and other than being fast in a straight its a very uninspiring vehicle. |
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01-16-2013, 03:02 PM | #25 | |
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Yes in that Car and Driver article it loses but then it wins in this one. The 2013 Lightning Lap and if you read the article in the mag which I have all they talk about is how bad the S6 drives and how good the M5 is. Thats why I dont trust magazines but I have driven the M5 on the track and can say its not M3 steering but its damn good. Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9 Lexus LFA - 2.55.1 Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5 Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0 Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9 Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6 Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5 Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1 Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2 Audi RS5 - 3.04.3 BMW M6 - 3.04.7 BMW M5 - 3.05.2 * BMW M3 (E92) - 3.05.4 (from last year's competition, for reference) * BMW 1M Coupe - 3:06.6 (from last year's competition, for reference) Audi S6 - 3.09.8 BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9 Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8 Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6 Ford Focus St - 3.21.4 Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0 Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3 |
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01-16-2013, 03:23 PM | #26 | |
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01-16-2013, 03:41 PM | #27 | |
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I just think BMW dropped the ball on creating a car that was better to drive than the e60 m5. Its better looking, though very mundane and faster but doesnt evoke emotion IMO. |
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01-16-2013, 05:47 PM | #28 | |
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The Porsche better beat the M5 for $175,000. At that price and power it is a suoercars and should be treated as such even if it looks like a station wagon. |
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01-16-2013, 08:22 PM | #29 | |
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01-16-2013, 08:55 PM | #30 | |
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As far as build quality, it's not a night and day difference but Audi is definitely better, especially when it comes to attention to detail (i.e. tighter gaps between body panels, better paint, better rust protection, etc.) With regards to the S4 engine being prone to heatsoak, this is the first time I hear it. The 3.0TFSI is a great engine and its official stats are waaay underrated (kind of like the N54, but not the N55). This is why the S4 is so much faster than the F30 335i despite being heavier. It's sad that BMW is losing sight of what made it successful in the first place. ten years ago, BMW was the undisputed driving machine. No other company made 4-door cars that could rival BMW in terms of handling and driving feel. Nowadays, BMW is just another luxury car brand. |
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01-16-2013, 10:15 PM | #31 | |
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01-16-2013, 10:25 PM | #33 | |
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Much faster ? S4 is 3 to 4 tenths of a second faster. Build quality is about equal on today's cars. Older cars not so much ever worked on an old Audi or VW? The plastics are so brittle they turn to dust. Now as far as drivers car sorry. RWD takes skill to get around a track fast. Now don't get me wrong Audi makes a fine car but it drives to much like a 5 series then a trust sports car. We will both take up for our brands we drive now. I could have bought anything from a S4, S6, C63 or so on. The 3 series is a special car but more importantly BMW is more of a lifestyle. BMW is more focused on the drivers experience. BMW has Dinan, and there own performance parts. BMW has an amazing facility the performance center. Audi not so much. Also if I want I can make my 335i fast and still keep my Warrenty with Audi I can't. |
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01-16-2013, 10:29 PM | #34 |
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Love the RS7, wish I can get that car later down the road.
Technically, Audi has Stasis, which is equivalent to Dinan for BMW. Yes, Stasis provides warranty for their performance products, same warranty concept as with Dinan. I can go to my local Audi dealership to get Stasis parts since they are authorized Stasis dealer. Personally, after trading my E90 335i for a B8 S4, the S4 blows the 335i in a lot of categories. I agree 335i is a drivers’ car and focuses on performance. However, the S4 has a better interior, more refined, and it’s fast car as well. Having AWD is a bonus for me. I don’t think you can go wrong with either car, but for me the S4 is the better overall package car. It’s funny how in this review they say BMW has the better interior but Audi has better performance. Fair review and Audi has stepped up their game. |
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01-17-2013, 12:32 AM | #36 | |
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The difference in acceleration between the S4 and 335i is 0.5 seconds according to Edmunds (same driver, cars tested back to back on the same day). That's not insignificant. Actually, that's more than the difference between 328i and 335i. As for the BMW "lifestyle", I feel like it's becoming a thing of the past. BMW does not really care about the enthusiast driver anymore. They seem to be more interested in selling cars to women and status seekers these days. What bugs me about BMW is that it appears to be a company in decline, even if the sales numbers do not yet reflect it. BMW has tossed aside their core strengths and are focusing on generic luxury. They are diluting brand equity by putting the M badge on everything, from SUVs to diesel powered family cars. The M cars don't even have unique engines anymore...just reinforced versions of the standard I6 and V8 blocks with more boost. In fact, I'm pretty sure that "M" stands for Marketing these days. The 3 and 5 series, BMW's core product lines, have become too soft and isolating. You can't even get a real sport suspension on the 5 series anymore (and on the 3 series, it's only available on the Sport Line in conjunction with a bunch of unnecessary and overpriced cosmetic stuff). And don't get me started on the upcoming FWD cars like the Z2... |
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01-17-2013, 02:07 AM | #37 | |
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And I have ordered a JB3 stage 1 and have had my downpipe for a week. Took it to the dealership to remove A.S.S. and they can't even tell it was on there. As for the JB I can take it off and no one i have seen has been caught using one and got a Warrenty claim denied. Audi is on a a witch hunt and deny claims left and right for Tunes. As far as Dinan and Stasis being the same is laughable. One is a sound company with great products and the other is almost out of business. Well I have seen several comparisons and it's more like 3 tenths with the 335i having wheel spin. 5 series is soft but it is suppose to be but so is the A6 which handles like a pig. The base 3 series can be had with a M Adaptive Suspension (which is awesome btw) so that point is mute and you could even take it a step further and get the M Performance Suspension which should be even better. Everything you say about BMW using the same engines Audi copies so I don't know if that point holds water. Don't get me started about the M myth. The only people who claim M cars are soft are forum people who don't own one. |
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01-17-2013, 04:24 AM | #38 |
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I am a 911 (997) owner and though you do not consider the M3 in the same league, the M3 does make you ask "do I really need a 911." That's what I love about this particular car and many cases and mine in particular, the answer is no. The M3 is in the same league but it challenges cars above and beyond it.
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01-17-2013, 04:37 AM | #39 | |
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01-17-2013, 08:52 AM | #40 | |
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The M3 is great at being an all around car and yes it challenges cars above, but the 911 is the bar and challenges almost anything above it especially in the case of the 991S. Its running on track at or better than most supercar. Even the Mclaren wasnt a better driver's car in MT's Best Drivers car this year. |
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01-17-2013, 12:45 PM | #41 | |
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01-17-2013, 04:24 PM | #42 | |
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You can love your Audi all you want but don't attack BMW owners and say they have no taste or refinement it makes it look like you have none. Last edited by buildbright; 01-17-2013 at 04:44 PM.. |
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01-17-2013, 04:36 PM | #43 |
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ITT: peoples' misconception about faster being better when AWD is required for these kinds of numbers.
I hope M keeps their cars RWD and offers AWD as an option to the idiots that have to be faster than the guy next to them at a stoplight.
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