[panicos81]

Originally Posted by txz4

Just to point out. Every time this issue gets brought up it devolves into a shit storm. The parallels are uncanny. I would love for peace to take hold in the area, but it seems it will never happen, and for this reason Ive never visited.

Peace will never happen unless there is simply put, a "re-boot" of the talks based on the CURRENT situation and nothing about the past. "This is life. Live where you want, but things will be called as they are"

Israel is tired of trying to work with Palestinians and wont ever go far enough for a deal to be made, and Palestinians will never be happy with Israel in its current or even near current form. EVER.

The way i see it, this is life for them. And it will only get worse. Not better. This will be a one side backs down, or things get worse, situation.

tired of trying?? when did they try?

rest of it is true though, peace as things are is very difficult..

[Team Plutonium]

Let's remove the politics and look at two facts on how each side fights:

Israel works very, very hard to avoid civilian causalities, in fact, nobody trains more extensively in 'restrictive, and confined fighting environments' than the Israelis - that is a fact.

Hamas targets and murders almost exclusively civilians.

This is fact and reality.

As Golda Meir said, "we can forgive you for killing our children, we cannot forgive you for making us kill yours"

No peace talks will ever be possible unless Hamas gives up power, and stops their cowardly terrorists attacks.

[panicos81]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Let's remove the politics and look at two facts on how each side fights:

Israel works very, very hard to avoid civilian causalities, in fact, nobody trains more extensively in 'restrictive, and confined fighting environments' than the Israelis - that is a fact.

Hamas targets and murders almost exclusively civilians.

This is fact and reality.

As Golda Meir said, "we can forgive you for killing our children, we cannot forgive you for making us kill yours"

No peace talks will ever be possible unless Hamas gives up power, and stops their cowardly terrorists attacks.

what???? yes they try very very hard

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=17758320

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2157437.html

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...nts-occupation
"The Israeli offensive has killed more than 138 people, including at least two-dozen children, in Gaza. Militant rockets fired from Gaza, meanwhile, have killed five Israelis and injured 400 others since this most-recent flare up began on Nov. 28."



unless ofcourse people and kids throwing rocks are considered army/hostile or whatever justifies their killing..

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by panicos81

what???? yes they try very very hard

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=17758320

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2157437.html

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...nts-occupation
"The Israeli offensive has killed more than 138 people, including at least two-dozen children, in Gaza. Militant rockets fired from Gaza, meanwhile, have killed five Israelis and injured 400 others since this most-recent flare up began on Nov. 28."



unless ofcourse people and kids throwing rocks are considered army/hostile or whatever justifies their killing..

There is a difference between unfortunate civilian casualties, and deliberately targeting civilians. And that is the fundamental difference between Hamas and Israel.

[Fox128i]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

There is a difference between unfortunate civilian casualties, and deliberately targeting civilians. And that is the fundamental difference between Hamas and Israel.

Not to mention the rantings of an Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Cleric by the name of Yusuf al-Qaradawi who argues in short, that Israeli children are fair game as they will grow up to be soldiers. So, therefore murdering them is not a problem and if you die doing so, it's martyrdom.

Any death whether deliberate or accidental is a tragedy, but to call for the murder of children is flat out despicable and sick. How are you supposed to negotiate with individuals who believe or support such notions?

* Ed Husain - Middle Eastern Studies & Council on Foreign Relations.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by Fox128i

Not to mention the rantings of an Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Cleric by the name of Yusuf al-Qaradawi who argues in short, that Israeli children are fair game as they will grow up to be soldiers. So, therefore murdering them is not a problem and if you die doing so, it's martyrdom.

Any death whether deliberate or accidental is a tragedy, but to call for the murder of children is flat out despicable and sick. How are you supposed to negotiate with individuals who believe or support such notions?

* Ed Husain - Middle Eastern Studies & Council on Foreign Relations.

+1000!

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by Fox128i

Not to mention the rantings of an Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Cleric by the name of Yusuf al-Qaradawi who argues in short, that Israeli children are fair game as they will grow up to be soldiers. So, therefore murdering them is not a problem and if you die doing so, it's martyrdom.

Any death whether deliberate or accidental is a tragedy, but to call for the murder of children is flat out despicable and sick. How are you supposed to negotiate with individuals who believe or support such notions?

* Ed Husain - Middle Eastern Studies & Council on Foreign Relations.

I guess suicide bombings are ok with Hamas supporters too.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by Ehwnnc

Because the mods are on a power trip and want to be like the gov. and control everything. its called freedom of speech. Who gives a shit if someone is offended. Grow some balls and take it.

You do realize that this forum (and forums in general) are privately owned businesses and not, in any way, reflective of a democracy. They can choose to operate however they want. Also like any business, the consumer can choose where they spend their time/money.

Alienating your customer base through poor moderation does not seem to be a smart business choice....but ultimately they get to decide.