[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

When I think of neo conservatisim, and then think "Hmm, would these be the type of jerks who would shoot first, ask questions later?" It seems a very easy connection to make, though admittedly, mostly tongue-in-cheek.


Who said I was "ranting against Texas"? I certainly never criticized Texas as a state. You may have missed the point because this isn't about Texas, this is about people knowing the proper application of deadly force. Just judging by this thread, very few people actually know the laws that govern deadly force in their own state. As for facts...



The article you read is complete bullshit (excuse my French), and full of piss poor reporting. All the major news outlets have reported these facts (CNN, Fox, USA Today):
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/15...urder-charges/
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Deput...250041711.html

1) The girl was DATING Johran.
2) The girl let Johran into the home.
3) The father heard "sounds" coming from the bedroom (not some made up story about a 4 year old kid seeing feet under the bed), and went to investigate. Let's be honest, the sounds were sex sounds.
4) The father went to confront the teenager with GUN DRAWN.
5) The father caught Johran in bed with his daughter. He got out and was to the side of the bed.
6) Some dialog occurred, perhaps arguing (no exact details). I'm guessing the boy was trying to let the guy know who let him in the house and why he wasn't some random intruder.
7) The father CLAIMS Johran made a sudden movement with his hands.

The last part is highly suspect since Johran didn't have any weapon on him when police carted his body away from the house.

So which has the ring of truth?

1) Johran, not scared of a man with a loaded weapon pointed at his head, reaches for a PHANTOM weapon he doesn't have, and ends up getting himself shot.

2) Johran, afraid of a man with a loaded weapon, gets shot by an angry father who wants to hurt a boy who just fucked his daughter.



Of course I would call the police. Unlike the neo-con hill billies in the South, I don't shoot first, ask questions later. I have a loaded 9mm pistol by the bed stand in a digital safe that I pull out. I assess the situation. I make sure my kids and wife are safe and out of harms way. You see, it's more important to me that my family is safe, and protected, than it is for me to fill someone full of bullets so I can scream "Yee haw!" and tell my friends about how I capped someone at the local dive bar. The right to own a gun is a responsibility, and the laws that govern deadly force in California and Texas are very clear. I wish the neo-con warhawks knew this, and treated gun ownership with respect instead of like a child's toy.

I fully agree with you about the use of a firearm being the very last resort of any type of confrontation and should only be used to protect lives from someone with intent to do harm.

But after reading your first quoted source i've got big problems with you post.

The father who police said fatally shot a 17-year-old boy in his daughter's bedroom should be charged with murder, the victim's distraught mother says.

Johran McCormick's mother said she can't believe her son was killed while sneaking around with the 16-year–old girl he was apparently dating, the Houston Chronicle reported Saturday.

Zakia McCormick also can't understand why the man accused of firing the fatal shot Thursday is not behind bars.

"If you take a life, you give your life"
- Zakia McCormick

"If you take a life, you give your life," the newspaper quoted a teary Zakia McCormick as saying. "We're suffering. Why isn't he suffering too?"
She and the teen's father Shawn Curley said the man should be charged with murder and sentenced to life behind bars.

The Harris County Sheriff's Office is investigating the shooting and has said a grand jury will determine if charges are warranted.
Although a grand jury will review the case, prosecutor Warren Diepraam told MyFoxHouston.com Friday that it is unlikely that the father will be charged.

The father told investigators he heard noises coming from his daughter’s bedroom around 2:30 a.m. He went to investigate and found Johran in the room. The boy was shot once.

Zakia McCormick and Curley told the Chronicle they believe Johran was in bed with the girl when her father came into her bedroom with a gun.

The family said they were told by authorities and others the girl denied she knew Johran—sparking the deadly confrontation.

"I wished the father could have asked more questions, he could have picked up the phone," Curley told the newspaper. "And for her to say she didn't know who he was, that was most hurtful."

Curley said he didn’t believe the shooting was an accident. “You don’t shoot someone in the head on accident,” he said..

The mom said she didn’t even know her son was in Houston at the time. She said he had gone to New Orleans with friends on spring break and wasn’t due to return until Sunday.

She also didn’t know Johran and the girl were dating.

"For him to be in someone else's house at 2:30 in the morning is shocking to us," said Curley.

i've bolded some key points that make it very clear the items you're pointing out to be fact are indeed speculation by the victims family. Who might i add didn't even know of his where a bouts at the time. Even the victims family found it shocking that their son was in someone else's house at 2:30 in the morning. Imagine how shocked the owner of that house was when he found out.

I would not be surprised if your version of the story was the correct one. But without knowing, preaching your theory of what happened as fact wins no one's favor.

Also, it's doubtful that he yelled "yee haw" after firing his weapon once. In contrast to "filling them full of bullets". And i'm sorry but your choice of words makes your post seem like it's a rant and quite derogatory to people who live in the south.